I am communicating with a client who needs an app and backend for their company, they are a small ISP and they need a backend to monitor user usage and also an app.
So the IT Spec document that was submitted by a third party suggests using NodeJS as backend since its a single thread framework, no multiple db connections , I am used to Laravel for backend dev as so far there hasn't been any issues.
So I wanted some advise if Laravel or Node will be a better solution for this.
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I want to practice creating my own RESTful API service to go along with a client-side application that I've created. My plan is to use Node and Express to create a server. On my local machine, I know how to set up a local server, but I would like to be able to host my application (client and server) online as part of my portfolio.
The data that my client application would send to the server would not be significant in size, so there wouldn't be a need for a database. It would be sufficient to just have my server save received data dynamically in an array, and I wouldn't care about having that data persist if the user exits the webpage.
Is it possible to use a service like Netlify in order to host both a client and server for my purposes? I'm picturing something similar to how I can start up a local dev server on my computer so that the front-end can interface with it. Except now I want everything hosted online for others to view. I plan to create the Express server in the same repo as the front-end code.
No, Netlify doesn't allow you to run a server or backend. However, they do allow you to run serverless functions in the cloud. These can run for up to 10 sec. at a time. Furthermore Netlify also have a BETA solution called "background functions" That can run for up to 15 minutes. But honestly for a RESTful API there sure would be better solutions out there?
If you are still looking for the Netlify for Backend you can consider Qovery. They explained here why it is a good fit for their users.
I am beginner in web technologies. While studying about frontend frameworks, I came to know that we run separate application servers for frontend and backend server(API).
e.g. If I am using vue.js, I'll be running a vue server for frontend and I'll be running another MEAN stack API server separately. Now my application will need to show real-time updates, I'll have to use websocket connection between my browser and frontend server which further will need websocket/webhook connection with my backend server(API). Now I am already aware of the scalability and session management issues with websocket connection. In this scenario, how should I build my application for better scalability and with less complexity? Is it possible to create a monolithic application server for frontend and backend? Will that be a good choice?
Is it possible to create a monolithic application server for frontend and backend? Will that be a good choice?
That choice is fine; start simple and you can break into microservices in the future. Unless this is for a large production system!
If you use something like express you can serve the Vue.js files using express.static, API endpoints using express.Router() instances, and the ws or socket.io module attached to express instance for websockets.
Now my application will need to show real-time updates, I'll have to
use websocket connection between my browser and frontend server which
further will need websocket/webhook connection with my backend server
This isn't the case. You can have your frontend (the app running in a browser) connect directly to the backend via websocket if you wish, no need to proxy via a frontend server. For session management look into JWT tokens.
You can go for socket.io library in Nodejs. It's simple and easy to use, The scalability and session can be handled by introducing Redis,
check https://socket.io/docs/using-multiple-nodes/
I am planning to design the chat(web socket) application for my eCommerce django REST application.
What is the best design
Integrate the chat inside application inside the same django REST server
Deploy chat as a separate end point for chat only.
If put different server and db for chat. how we communicate with rest sever to validate.? and whats the best design. ?
As per the discussion in Chat.
Here is the architecture:
Your Chat app will run separately and will have no impact on your main app.
I suggest using a different Database for Chat (MongoDB recommended but you can create separate MySQL DB too) to not put Chat burden on main DB.
Keep the authentications on REST server and not allow Chat server to access main DB. Create an endpoint when you need it.
You can move Chat to a different server too in future, if you need to.
For these types of real-time application, you should be using websocket.
Since, you are using django, I would recommend you to try django-channels
I built an app and i'm planning to make a real time battle with Angular 2 and laravel. For example, you hit the "attack" button, and your opponent see his life going down in real time.
My app built with:
frontend: Angular 2
Backend: PHP Laravel 5.2
Now I'm searching and learning for my real time battle component,
and I saw different guides and tutorials for it:
https://www.codetutorial.io/laravel-5-and-socket-io-tutorial/
http://4dev.tech/2016/02/creating-a-live-auction-app-with-angular-2-node-js-and-socket-io/
The first tutorial is about how to use Laravel 5 and socket io.
The second one is how to use Angular 2 with NODS JS and socket io.
When I say real time, I mean that both users see the same thing that is happening on the screen)
My Backend and Frontend are totally divided and I have no setup with NodeJS anywhere in my app.
Both users need to see actions happening during a battle in my app, and It need to go through my laravel API and shown via my Angular 2 battle component
My question is -
What's the best approach to real time app (seem websockets) using Angular2 and Laravel 5.2 to get the desired result of what I'm trying to achieve?
Laravel in this context is just templating and serving the client files, and acting as an interface inbetween the client and the socket.io server. It doesn't actually act as the socket.io server, and I don't believe it can.
So yes, you would still need something (node) to host the socket.io server to interact with the client, through PHP or otherwise. Personally, I'd skip Laravel/PHP altogether and just use node with koa/express/whatever to template your client (html/js/css/etc) files. Feels like an unnecessary abstraction to me.
The code below from socket.blade.php already has a connection to the actual socket.io server, so I don't see why the additional overhead of an HTTP POST through PHP/Laravel is a good idea. Security, perhaps, but you can handle that with the actual socket.io server as well.
var socket = io.connect('http://localhost:8890');
socket.on('message', function (data) {
$( "#messages" ).append( "<p>"+data+"</p>" );
});
For the real-time character of your use-case, websockets are definitely the way to go. The players that should get the updates should be in the same 'room', so you can broadcast changes more easily. For the other functionality you can either use websockets or regular API calls to your backend directly from your client-side app code with some kind of communication between your api and the socket server, e.g. through Redis.
TLDR:
All data through sockets, node server does api calls and broadcasts changes to active players
Use API from app directly, use pub/sub queue foo for communication between laravel and node to broadcast changes to active players
Option 1:
Angular frontend app
Set up websocket connection
Add triggers for game foo which will send data over the socket connection and is handled by your nodeserver
Only talks to sockets
Node server
Serves frontend app
Handles socket connections, divide players per game
Handles socket calls and calls laravel api to do mutations on your data
Process action and broadcast changes to players in game X
Laravel REST API
Auth x
Default CRUD foo
Option 2:
Angular frontend app
Talks to api directly
Uses sockets to listen for updates
Node server
Serves frontend app
Handle websocket data
Listen on queue for published data from API
Broadcast changes to players in game x over socket
Laravel REST API
Auth
Crud
Mutation x triggers publish in Redis or other queue, which the node server can/should listen on
I'm sure there are more ways you can set this up, you just have to decide where you want what. Maybe introducing Redis is something you do not want, in that case your node app will have more to do. If you do want to use something like Redis, you'll need to do API calls from either your frontend app or choose to do it through the node app anyway, combining the 2 options.
If you are planning to use websockets then there seems to be less use of laravel as only one socket is pretty capable of handling all the data that will be exchanged between the frontend and the backend, so if you don't mind changing your engine you can try Meteor, https://www.meteor.com/
Im using nodejs and socket.io to deliver a chat on my business app, but i want to distribute the deploy so i can have as many chat servers i want to balance the load of the traffic.
I try the load balance approach from nginx but that just do that balance the traffic but the communication between the socket.io serves its not the same, so one chat message send from user A to server S1 wont travel to user B on server S2.
There is any tool or approach to do this.
Thanks in advance.
===== EDIT =====
Here is the architecture of the app.
The main app frontend on PHP CodeIgniter lets tag it as PHPCI
The chat app backend on NodeJs and SocketIO lets tag it as CHAT
The chat model data on Redist lets tag it as REDIST
So what i have now its PHPCI -> CHAT -> REDIST. That work just fine.
What i need is to distribute the application so i can have as many PHPCI or CHAT or REDIST i want, example
PHPCI1 CHAT1
PHPCI2 -> -> REDIST1
PHPCI3 CHAT2
Where the numbers represent instances not different apps.
So a User A connected to PHPCI1 can send a message to a user B connected on PHPCI3.
I think some queue in the middle of CHAT can handle this something like rabbitmq that can only use the SocketIO to deliver the messages to the client.
If you're distributing the server load (and that's a requirement), I'd suggest adding a designated chat data server (usually an in-memory database or message queue) to handle chat state and message passing across edge servers.
Redis Pub/Sub is ideal for this purpose, and can scale up to crazy levels on even a low-end machine. The Redis Cookbook has a chapter on precisely this use case.
If you set up the server-side of your chat app correctly, you shouldn't have to distribute socket.io. Since node.js is browser-based and doesn't require any client-side code (other than the resources downloaded from the webpage), it works automatically. With a webpage, the files required to run socket.io are temporarily downloaded to users when they are correctly included (just like with jQuery). If you are using node.js and socket.io to make an android app, the files should be included in your application when you distribute it, not separately.
In addition, if you wish to use two separate socket.io servers, you should be able to establish communication between the two by connecting them in a similar manner that a client connects to the server, but with a special parameter that lets the other server know that a server connected and it can respond and set a variable for the other server.