I have the current APIs running in an express server along with MongoDB in form of HTTP requests response. I currently have the use case of a messaging system that I know requires web sockets.
Should I rewrite the whole APIs in socket.io? Or Is there any option to do it on top of the existing HTTP server
Any suggestions in this situation will be helpful.
No, the are not mutually exclusive. Keep using HTTP for things that make sense as APIs, and only add sockets for the things that require bi-directional messaging.
socket.io is not required, and it's usually better to just use plain websockets. socket.io is a old, large framework that's not needed.
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These days I try to develop real time application using nodejs.
That application want to update the dashboard according to api data.
I installed express and faye and try to compare what is the best and what are the differences of that two.
As I know express is a node base framework and faye is a subscriber/publisher based one.
But I think both are almost same and anyone can help me to identify the differences?
What is fast and what can be done using the frameworks like that ?
Thanks in advance.
They are not very comparable. If you want to create a real-time application, you will probably need to use both.
Express is a web framework. You will need it to serve and handle HTTP requests and responses. It will help you handle things like url routing, request/response handling middleware, interfacing with template engines, etc... Express is as fast as you'll get.
Faye is a pub sub messaging system- It will not be capable of handling standard HTTP requests and responses. You may be able to implement a live stream of the data using Faye, however, you will still have the need to serve up your client side application using Express.
I would also look into Socket.io as an alternative to Faye- in addition to Express.
I am looking to build an web application using node.js and possibly socket.io but I am having a lots of confusion regarding whether to use socket.io or go with plain http. In the app the node.js server will be basically an api server which serves json to the javascript client or may be mobile clients too. The web app will also has chat messeneger for its users, this is where socket.io comes in.
I am not sure whether to use socket.io for the whole app or only for the chat part. Although my app itself could benefit from socket.io but its nothing that I think can't be done using plain http and client making more requests to the server.
I have read at several places that sometimes socket.io can be difficult to scale for more users.
Socket.io often crashes and specially creates probs when there are firewall in clients system.
More importantly.....I checked out socket.io user list and did not find many users, so was curious to know what kind of platform is more know chat network like facebook messenger, google talk etc are built upon, Are any built using http-ajax and continues querying to the server.
Please help me out in solving this question. Some might argue that this is a opinion based question. But what actually I am trying to figure out the implementation of socket.io and its limitation.
I would suggest serving your API over HTTP and leave the real-time business to Socket.io. If you are adverse to using Websockets, like #GeoPheonix stated, you can choose from a variety of transport methods using both socket.io and sockjs (https://github.com/sockjs/sockjs-node).
As far as scaling is concerned, I deployed a socket.io based real-time analytics/tracking service for a very large application with ana average of 400+ concurrent connections with no visible performance impact, but this may depend on the implementation and hardware.
Socket.io is faster than plain http. I recommend you to use it for all since you have to have a chat in first place.
In my case, real-time Texas Hold'em-like game can receive up to 2500 concurrent with one node process. However, if you change transport from websocket to xhr-polling, It can receive like more 10x than pure websocket. Your application is just chat so, I guess a little slow down wouldn't be a problem. If you sure you will exceed this number, yes, scale socket.io is a pain.
This problem will happen only if you open socket.io for port other than 80 and 443. If you have frontend web server with other language already, you can still use socket.io on another subdomain to be able to run on port 80 without conflict with your main frontend web server. Socket.io support cross-domain without a problem.
Have you used trello.com? If not, try it :). It's best for task management or even some Agile thing. They used socket.io. https://c9.io/ is another one. It's online IDE with google doc-like collaborative. One thing to note is xhr-polling trasport in socket.io is the same with http-ajax with long-polling (Better than general ajax). You can read more info at:
http://book.mixu.net/node/ch13.html
If to call own api for building the website is a good practice.
Which is the best way to call own api on the same server in a nodejs application?
simply calling the api-methods
using socket.io with emit() and listen it with .on('event', function(){})
install jquery on the server and use the ajax call
or not use at all the own api and rewrite the methods
i'm just confusing. Hope someone can clarify me on this.
If you need to call own API from another process it would be good to use some messaging protocol. ZeroMQ sounds like perfect fit here. It allows to create different patterns of communication between different services in internal networks, and communicate in different ways. Simplest example is Request > Response pattern that is similar to HTTP requests. And it might be a good start point.
Remember that if you using routing system within express, then ZeroMQ solution will not utilize that, it would be able directly communicate, not through HTTP interface. It is much more efficient as well, as HTTP has unnecessary overhead especially for internal communication.
If you still want to use express routing then your option would be to use http.request, which behaves very similar to curl or $.ajax. This function makes HTTP requests, so you can reuse your express routing system.
Background: I am building a web app using NodeJS + Express. Most of the communication between client and server is REST (GET and POST) calls. I would typically use AJAX XMLHttpRequest like mentioned in https://developers.google.com/appengine/articles/rpc. And I don't seem to understand how to make my RESTful service being used for Socket.io as well.
My questions are
What scenarios should I use Socket.io over AJAX RPC?
Is there a straight forward way to make them work together. At least for Expressjs style REST.
Do I have real benefits of using socket.io(if websockets are used -- TCP layer) on non real time web applications. Like a tinyurl site (where users post queries and server responds and forgets).
Also I was thinking a tricky but nonsense idea. What if I use RESTful for requests from clients and close connection from server side and do socket.emit().
Thanks in advance.
Your primary problem is that WebSockets are not request/response oriented like HTTP is. You mention REST and HTTP interchangeably, keep in mind that REST is a methodology behind designing and modeling your HTTP routes.
Your questions,
1. Socket.io would be a good scenario when you don't require a request/response format. For instance if you were building a multiplayer game in which whoever could click on more buttons won, you would send the server each click from each user, not needing a response back from the server that it registered each click. As long as the WebSocket connection is open, you can assume the message is making it to the server. Another use case is when you need a server to contact a client sporadically. An analytics page would be a good use case for WebSockets as there is no uniform pattern as to when data needs to be at the client, it could happen at anytime.
The WebSocket connection is an HTTP GET request with a special header requesting the server to upgrade it to a WebSocket connection. Distinguishing different events and message on the WebSocket connection is up to your application logic and likely won't match REST style URIs and methods (otherwise you are replication HTTP request/reply in a sense).
No.
Not sure what you mean on the last bit.
I'll just explain more about when you want to use Socket.IO and leave the in-depth explanation to Tj there.
Generally you will choose Socket.IO when performance and/or latency is a major concern and you have a site that involves users polling for data often. AJAX or long-polling is by far easier to implement, however, it can have serious performance problems in high load situations. By high-load, I mean like Facebook. Imagine millions of people loading their feed, and every minute each user is asking the server for new data. That could require some serious hardware and software to make that work well. With Socket.IO, each user could instead connect and just indefinitely wait for new data from the server as it arrives, resulting in far less overall server traffic.
Also, if you have a real-time application, Socket.IO would allow for a much better user experience while maintaining a reasonable server load. A common example is a chat room. You really don't want to have to constantly poll the server for new messages. It would be much better for the server to broadcast new messages as they are received. Although you can do it with long-polling, it can be pretty expensive in terms of server resources.
I want to use dotcloud with node.js + socket.io for realtime applications.
But they don't support websockets.
Will there be noticeable bandwidth or performance degradation by relying purely on fallbacks?
Is it worth it to use my own server? Linode or aws or whatnot.
Thanks.
I'm implementing an instant messaging system which depends completely on websocket. As the web is evolving quite fast and websocket was in the web standard, I decided to use flash websocket fallback for any browser that don't support it by default (Firefox, Opera). Here is what you may want to know:
I use websocket. I use a pure websocket server. I don't use any other protocols. I don't use socket.io. I must say that if you decide to use only websocket, you won't have benefit from socket.io lib, even the development time. It only adds unnecessary overhead to your server because of multiple transportation layers support.
At client side, I use websocket + flash websocket fallback which implements websocket specs using flash socket and I would say that there's no noticable difference. The only thing you should know that is due to the "same origin policy", you may need to serve flash socket policy request your own (run on port 843 by default) to allow the flash socket to connect in.
We're currently using private server because we have a dedicated sysadmin. However, it's better if you can just focus on doing what you intended to do, and not on unwanted things. Oh, and sometimes, it's better if you have complete control of your own server :-).
Hope it helps.