I know that it is possible to create 3D objects and enviroments in python via using Pygame. But I wonder, if it is somehow possible to use the objects that you've created in 3ds Max within a python program. Because it seems that it takes a lot of time to code every detail in pygame to create 3D stuff.I think it would be easier if I could just use my mouse to draw objects just like in 3ds Max then to code every detail.Sorry if there are any gramattical mistakes.
3D is a world in itself - Pygame leverages 3D by providing some bindings to OpenGL - which are themselves quite low level.
So, if you happen to findout a format that can be expoted by 3DS and canbe supported directly in a call to OpenGL, the answer to your question would be "yes".
But I doubt so - even if there are object formats directly usable by OpenGL, you'd still have a tough time configuring the remainder of the scene.
The advice for you is to use a highr level binding to OpenGL, or 3D, and then check what formats are common between your binding (like Python-Ogre) and the formats 3DS can export too.
My personal recommendation would be for you to use Blender 3D for your Python environment. Not only it embeds a full game engine 100% programable in Python, as it leverages tens of different file formats to import - and certainly will be hundreds of times (no exaggeration here - I mean more than one hundred times as easy as) to code something like a finished game scene than using the raw OpenGL provided by Pygame. Also, as you get used to Blender, you might start making part of your modeling in it as well, avoiding having to switch environments between Max and Blender.
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I am writing a program that will output 3D model files based on simple geometric shapes (e. g. rectangular prisms & cylinders) with known coordinates in 3-dimensional space. As an example, imagine creating a 3D model of stonehenge. this question suggests that OBJ files are the easiest to generate, but I'm struggling to find a good tutorial or easy-to-use library for doing so.
Can anyone either
(1) describe step-by-step how to create a simple file OR
(2) point me to a tutorial that describes how to do so
Notes:
* Using a GUI-based program to draw such files is not an option for me
* I have no prior experience with 3D modeling
* Other formats such as WRL or DAE would work for me as well
EDIT:
I do not need to use textures, just combinations of simple geometric shapes positioned in 3D space.
I strongly recommend to use some ASCII exchange format there are many out there I usually use these:
*.x DirectX object (it is a C++ source code)
this one is easiest to implement !!! But there are not many tools that can handle them. If you do not want to spend too much time coding then this is the right choice. Just copy the templates (at the start) from any *.x file to get started.
here some specs
*.iges common and importable on most CAD/CAM platform (Catia included)
this one is a bit complicated but for export purposes it is not that bad. It supports Volume operation like +,-,&,^ which are VERY HARD to implement properly but you do not have to use them :)
*.dxf AutoCAD exchange format
this one is even more complicated then IGES. I do not recommend to use it
*.ac AC3D
I first saw this one in flight gear.
here some specs
at first look it is quite easy but the sub-object implementation is really tricky. Unless you use it you should be fine.
This approach is easily verifiable in note pad or by loading to some 3D model viewer. Chose one that is most suitable for your needs and code save/load function to your Apps internal model class/struct. This way you will be compatible with other software and eliminate incompatibility problems which are native to creating 'almost known' binary formats like 3ds,...
In your case I would use IGES (Initial Graphics Exchange Specification)
For export you do not need to implement all just few basic shapes so it would not be too difficult. I code importers which are much much more complicated. Mine IGES loader class is about 30KB of C++ source code look here for more info
You did not provide any info about your 3D mesh model structure and capabilities
like what primitives you use, are your object simple or in skeleton hierarchy, are you using textures, and more ... so it is impossible to answer
Anyway export often looks like this:
create header and structure of target file format
if the format has any directory structure fill it and write it (IGES)
for sub-objects do not forget to add transformation matrices ...
write the chunks you need (points list, faces list, normals, ...)
With ASCII formats you can do this inside String variable so you can easily insert into or modify. Do all thing in memory and write the whole thing to file at the end which is fast and also add capability to work with memory instead of files. This is handy if you want to pack many files to single package file like *.pak or send/receive files through IPC or LAN ...
[Edit1] more about IGES
fileformat specs
I learned IGES from this pdf ... Have no clue where from I got it but this was first valid link I found in google today. I am sure there is some non registration link out there too. It is about 13.7 MB and original name IGES5-3_forDownload.pdf.
win32 viewer
this is free IGES viewer. I do not like the interface and handling but it works. It is necessary to have functional viewer for testing yours ...
examples
here are many tutorial files for many entities there are 3 sub-links (igs,peek,gif) where you can see example file in more ways for better understanding.
exporting to IGES
you did not provide any info about your 3D mesh internal structure so I can not help with export. There are many ways to export the same way so pick one that is closest to your App 3D mesh representation. For example you can use:
point cloud
rotation surfaces
rectangle (QUAD) surfaces
border lines representation (non solid)
trim surface and many more ...
I am developing an online assessment package for elementary grade math (K-6) Many questions will need to contain graphics such as shown on this image:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwsi91l3bp9t3de/samplegraphics.PNG
All graphics needs to be generated on-the-fly (apart from photos of real objects that are stored in a database) - so that unlimited number of problems can be created). Another requirement is that this works well on both desktop and mobile devices.
I am looking for an advice as to what language / graphics package would be best suited for this purpose. I would rather do everything in one environment. If some of the above can not be generated on the fly, I would consider (but not prefer) off-line generation of many examples that are then stored in a database.
I have considered the following
php+gd -- seems nice for manipulating images; however 3D not readily available.
jpgraph.net/features/gallery.php seems like a nice addition for spiffy graphs
There also seems to be a 3D rendered for php phpclasses.org/package/3364-PHP-Compose-and-render-3D-object-models.html -- my 3D requirements are modest (basic shapes, no animation)
JS with different plugins i.e. threejs.org/ for 3D - but this seems like an overkill for my needs
there is also js interface to html 5 canvas : calebevans.me/projects/jcanvas/
and this: keith-wood.name/svgRef.html
Google charts also seems very simple to use, but it doesn't provide everything I need
CSS3 - seems like it can do everything (??)
gnuplot (??) - not on-the-fly
Basically, I am looking for the easiest way to accomplish this, without reinventing the wheel - I am just not quite sure what the trade-offs of different approaches are.
I've been studying 3D graphics on my own for a while now and I want to get a greater understanding of just how everything works. What I would like to do is to create a simple game without using DirectX or OpenGL. I understand most of the math I believe, but the problem I am running up against is I do not know how to get control of the pixels being displayed in a window.
How do I specify what color I want each pixel in my window to be?
I understand I will probably run into issues with buffers and image shearing and probably terrible efficiency problems, but I want to create my own program so that I could see from the very lowest level, of the high level language, how the rendering process works. I really have no idea where to start though. I've figured out how to output BMPs, but I would like to have a running program spitting out 20+ frames per second. How do I accomplish this?
You could pick a environment that allows you to fill an array with values for pixels and display it as a bitmap. This way you come closest to poking RGB values in video memory. WPF, Silverlight, HTML5/Javascript can do this. If you do not make it full screen these technologies should suffice for now.
In WPF and Silverlight, use the WriteableBitmap.
In HTML5, use the canvas
Then it is up to you to implement the logic to draw lines, circles, bezier curves, 3D projections.
This is a lot of fun and you will learn a lot.
I'm reading between the lines that you're more interested in having full control over the rendering process from a low level, rather than having a specific interest in how to achieve that on one specific platform.
If that's the case then you will probably get a good bang for your buck looking at a library like SDL which provides you with a frame buffer that you can render to directly but abstracts away a lot of the platform specifics issues. It has been around for quite a while and there are some good tutorials to give you an idea of whether it's the kind of thing you're looking for - see this tutorial and the subsequent one in the same series, which should be enough to get you up and running.
You say you want to create some kind of a rendering engine, meaning desinging you own Pipeline and matrice classes. Which you are to use to transform 3D coordinates to 2D points.
When you have got the 2D points you've been looking for. You can use say for instance on windows, you can select a brush and draw you triangle values while coloring them at the same time.
I do not know why you would need Bitmaps, but if you want to practice say Texturing you can also do that yourself although off course on a weak computer this might take your frames per second significantly.
If you aim is to understand how rendering works on the lowest level. This is with no doubt a good practice.
Jt Schwinschwiga
Im writing a game engine and I'm wondering what 3D model format should I use/load/export? Obj seems universal and easy but it also appears to be unreliable in that most models out there contain errors and it doesn't store anywhere near as much as other formats.
There appear to be formats specifically for games such as MD2/3/5 but Im not sure, I use wings3d if I model, and I don't know what other details beyond purely loading what I need and support from the format Id have to implement, such as would I need to implement IK? and can I use scripted per piece animation rather than Inverse kinematics and bone rigging?
Collada is an open XML based format for 3d models owned by the Khronos group(OpenGL standards body)
From the Collada.org FAQ:
The COLLADA 1.4.x feature set includes:
Mesh geometry
Transform hierarchy (rotation, translation, shear, scale, matrix)
Effects
Shaders (Cg, GLSL, GLES)
Materials
Textures
Lights
Cameras
Skinning
Animation
Physics (rigid bodies, constraints, rag dolls, collision, volumes)
Instantiation
Techniques
Multirepresentations
Assets
User data
Before worrying about what 3D formats you want to support, I think you should really focus on what features you are planning to implement in your engine. Write those down as requirements, and pick the format that supports the most features from the list... as you'll want to showcase your engine (I am assuming you are planning for your engine to be publicly available). You might even want to roll your own format, if your engine has specific features (which is always a good thing to have for a game engine).
After that, support as many of the popular formats as you can (.X, .3DS, .OBJ, .B3D)... the more accessible your engine is, the more people will want to work with it!
Collada is a nice and generic format, but like Nils mentions, it is not an ideal format for final deployment.
I use my own binary format. I've tried to use existing formats but always run into limitations. Some could be worked around, others where showstoppers.
Collada may be worth a look. I don't think that it's that good as a format to be read by a 3D engine. It's fine as a general data-exchange format though.
http://www.collada.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
+1 for Collada. You may also want a custom native binary format for really fast loading (usually just a binary dump of vertex/index buffer data, plus material and skeleton data, and collision data if appropriate).
One trend in the games industry is to support loading a format like collada in the developer build of the engine, but also have a toolchain that exports an optimized version for release. The developer version can update the mesh dynamically, so as artists save changes, the file is automatically reloaded allowing them an (almost) instant WYSIWYG view of their model, but still providing a fully optimised release format.
support Collada well, and then supply good converters to/from the other formats (this might be the hard part). This will give you maximum flexibility. Take a look at C4 engine
Collada is great, but it lives more on the 3D app side of things. ie it's best used for transferring 3D data between applications, not loading 3D data from within a games engine. Have you looked into Lua? It's widely used in games because its a scripting language that's both ridiculously quick (perfect for games) and very flexible (can be used to represent whatever data you need for your engine).
I woud like to create a cross-platform drawing program. The one requirement for writing my app is that I have pixel level precision over the canvas. For instance, I want to write my own line drawing algorithm rather than rely on someone elses. I do not want any form of anti-aliasing (again, pixel level control is required.) I would like the users interactions on the screen to be quick and responsive (pending my ability to write fast algorithms.)
Ideally, I would like to write this in Python, or perhaps Java as a second choice. The ability to easily make the final app cross-platform is a must. I will submit to different API's on different OS'es if necessary as long as I can write an abstraction layer around them. Any ideas?
addendum: I need the ability to draw on-screen. Drawing out to a file I've got figured out.
I just this week put together some slides and demo code for doing 2d graphics using OpenGL from python using the library pyglet. Here's a representative post: Pyglet week 2, better vertex throughput (or 3D stuff using the same basic ideas)
It is very fast (relatively speaking, for python) I have managed to get around 1,000 independently positioned and oriented objects moving around the screen, each with about 50 vertices.
It is very portable, all the code I have written in this environment works on windows and Linux and mac (and even obscure environments like Pypy) without me ever having to think about it.
Some of these posts are very old, with broken links between them. You should be able to find all the relevant posts using the 'graphics' tag.
The Pyglet library for Python might suit your needs. It lets you use OpenGL, a cross-platform graphics API. You can disable anti-aliasing and capture regions of the screen to a buffer or a file. In addition, you can use its event handling, resource loading, and image manipulation systems. You can probably also tie it into PIL (Python Image Library), and definitely Cairo, a popular cross-platform vector graphics library.
I mention Pyglet instead of pure PyOpenGL because Pyglet handles a lot of ugly OpenGL stuff transparently with no effort on your part.
A friend and I are currently working on a drawing program using Pyglet. There are a few quirks - for example, OpenGL is always double buffered on OS X, so we have to draw everything twice, once for the current frame and again for the other frame, since they are flipped whenever the display refreshes. You can look at our current progress in this subversion repository. (Splatterboard.py in trunk is the file you'll want to run.) If you're not up on using svn, I would be happy to email you a .zip of the latest source. Feel free to steal code if you look into it.
If language choice is open, a Flash file created with Haxe might have a place. Haxe is free, and a full, dynamic programming language. Then there's the related Neko, a virtual machine (like Java's, Ruby's, Parrot...) to run on Mac, Windows and Linux. Being in some ways a new improved form of Flash, naturally it can draw stuff. http://haxe.org/
QT's Canvas an QPainter are very good for this job if you'd like to use C++. and it is cross platform.
There is a python binding for QT but I've never used it.
As for Java, using SWT, pixel level manipulation of a canvas is somewhat difficult and slow so I would not recommend it. On the other hand Swing's Canvas is pretty good and responsive. I've never used the AWT option but you probably don't want to go there.
I would recommend wxPython
It's beautifully cross platform and you can get per pixel control and if you change your mind about that you can use it with libraries such as pyglet or agg.
You can find some useful examples for just what you are trying to do in the docs and demos download.