The discussion below applies to 32-bit ARM Linux.
Suppose there are 512MB physical RAM in my system. For common configurations, all these 512MB physical RAM will be mapped via direct mapping by kernel(0xC000 0000 to 0xE000 0000).
Question is: kernel itself only uses part of these RAM; most of these RAM would be allocated to user space. Why bother mapping all these 512MB physical RAM in kernel's virtual space(0xC000 0000 to 0xE000 0000)? Why doesn't kernel just map part of these RAM for its only usage(say 64MB RAM)?
If physical RAM is greater than 1GB, things get a little complicated. Let's say directly-mapped area is 768MB in size. The result would be 768MB out of 1GB being directly mapped to kernel's virtual space. I guess the rest of the RAM(256MB) goes to two places: either high memory area or allocated by kernel to user space. But I still don't see any advantage of mapping so many physical RAM into kernel's virtual space.
Actually this question can be reduced to:
what are the drawbacks if kernel only directly maps a small part of physical RAM(say 64MB out of 512MB)?
Before further discussion, it is beneficial to know that
After MMU is turned on, every address issued by CPU is virtual
address.
If kernel wants to access ANY address in RAM, a mapping must be set up before the actual access happens.
If kernel only directly maps a small part of physical RAM, the cost is that every time kernel needs to access other parts of RAM, it needs to set up a temporary mapping before accessing that address and torn down that mapping after the access, which is very tedious and low efficiency.
If that mapping is set up in advance and is always there, it saves quite a lot of trouble for kernel.
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While I read understanding the linux kernel, I got this sentence
process descriptors are stored in dynamic memory.
As far as I know, for 32-bit computer system:
Kernel reserved almost 128MB High Memory in the highest virtual address to address the Dynamic physical address.
my question is: although the high memory can address all physical address, it can only address 128MB at most at once. The kernel data structure is so much that it could exceed 128MB. If kernel want to remap some of the high memory, the virtual address of some data structure saved in high memory might be invalid. How can kernel save more than 128MB kernel data structure in dynamic physical memory.
Although I have tried hard to express clear and obey this site's rules, there could still be some thing I made wrong. I'm very sorry if any.
What does "The kernel data structure is so much that it could exceed 128MB." mean? There is no "kernel data structure". There are things the kernel allocates, but they are few pages long tops. In particular there is no "single object" which would be > 128MB long.
If something is physically really big (say there is a file entirely read into RAM and it takes 512MB), the kernel just maps and unmaps physical pages as it needs them. In particular there is no need for the file to be mapped entirely at the same time and virtual addresses the parts get temporarily map into are meaningless.
Also note that today x86_64 provides a 128TB address space, so there are no shenaningans of the sort.
I'm working on a 32-bit embedded system with 1GB RAM that has an unusual configuration. There exists a 32MB region of RAM(DDR) that is used by an external piece of hardware. This region has size and alignment requirements defined by the hardware and the physical address and size are fixed during boot time before Linux kernels execute. The system also has two independent CPUs (not 2 cores on the same CPU) each running Linux that share the same 1GB of RAM and also need to simultaneously access the 32MB region of RAM.
I need to give each CPU an arbitrary amount of RAM to run Linux and I also need to allow each CPU to access the 32MB region. I have got all of this working by specifying the memory map on the kernel command line (e.g. for CPU1 memmap=512M#0 and for CPU2 memmap=512M#512M) and also using memmap=32M$XXXX to reserve the 32MB region. When the kernels boot, I use ioremap map the 32MB region into each kernels virtual address space so it can access the region.
However, what I've found is that to maintain software compatibility with existing kernel drivers, I need the 32MB region to be mapped into both kernels' "logical" address space so that phys_to_virt and virt_to_phys will work. Of course, when using ioremap, the 32MB region maps into the vmalloc area, so phys_to_virt and virt_to_phys don't work as desired.
I'm not finding any way to accomplish what I need to do with existing command-line or build-configuration options.
From a high-level, I think the kernels' page table entries will have no translation where the gap in the physical/logical memory map was specified (i.e. memmap=32M$XXXX) and what I need to do is to make sure those page table entries have the same information as if the gap was never specified. Or find a way to "reserve" a specific region of physical RAM from the kernel after it has mapped the logical address space into the page table. Either way, any manipulation needs to be done before the kernel starts using the memory.
There are few other threads on this subject but I couldn't find a clear answer.
On Linux, how can the virtual memory work when there is no swap partition to perform Paging, even no secondary I/O device (HDD, SSD, etc.)?
If I take my example: I'm running a custom distribution (from initramfs) on an embedded target which hasn't got any swap partition or secondary storage.
In top, I can clearly see that the running processes are consuming a lot more of virtual addresses (VIRT) than physical ones (RSS), e.g. 500MB vs 20MB.
Is the difference between VIRT and RSS just the memory allocated but never accessed (hence never mapped by the OS)? (memory over-commitment)
I thought Virtual Memory needed Paging (not talking about swapping) to work but I'm starting to believe that I was wrong (and that there is lot of crap online about Linux memory management).
Does it mean that a Page Fault in such configuration will systematically invoke the oom-killer?
Cheers
Virtual Memory is just what the process sees in its memory space. This includes a lot of things:
Actual used RAM
Swapped memory
Memory mapped real files
Memory mapped devices
Copy-on-write anonymous mmaps used for large mallocs
Copy-on-write memory from a forked process
Shared memory
Loaded libraries shared between processes
Only swapped pages and mmapped pages from real files requires hitting a disk on page fault.
If two processes share libc, they will immediately have VIRT > RSS without any overcommitment.
It sounds like you are suffering from the conflation of two distinct concepts: virtual memory and logical address translation.
In logical address translation (logical memory) the CPU presents to each process a unique linear address space. The operating system manage a set of page tables that translate logical addresses to physical memory.
Virtual memory is the process of simulating physical memory by using a secondary storage device. Virtual memory handles the situation where a logical address has no corresponding physical address.
Sadly, most processor documentation conflates those two term.
Virtually memory requires a secondary storage. Logical memory does not. Thus you can have logical memory translation when there is no secondary storage. Such translations can end up being called "virtual" when they are technically "logical."
I am missing something when it comes to understanding the need for highmem to address more than 1GB of RAM. Could someone point out where I go wrong? Thanks!
What I know:
1 GB of a processes' virtual memory (high memory region) is reserved for kernel operations. The user space can use the remaining 3 GB. This is the 3/1 split.
The virtual memory features of the VM map the (continuous) virtual memory pages to physical pages (RAM).
What I don't know:
What operations use the kernel virtual memory? I suppose things like kmalloc(...) in kernel-space would use kernel virtual memory.
I would think that 4GB of RAM could be used under this scheme. I don't get why the kernel 1 GB virtual space is the limiting factor when addressing physical space. This is where my understanding breaks down. Please advise.
I've been reading this (http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450), which is great. But it doesn't quite address my question to my liking.
The reason that kernel virtual space is a limiting factor on useable physical memory is because the kernel needs access to all physical memory, and the way it accesses physical memory is through kernel virtual addresses. The kernel doesn't use special instructions that allow direct access to physical memory locations - it has to set up page table entries for any physical ranges that it wants to talk to.
In the "old style" scheme, the kernel set things up so that every process's page tables mapped virtual addresses from 0xC0000000 to 0xFFFFFFFF directly to physical addresses from 0x00000000 to 0x3FFFFFFF (these pages were marked so that they were only accessible in ring 0 - kernel mode). These are the "kernel virtual addresses". Under this scheme, the kernel could directly read and write any physical memory location without having to fiddle with the MMU to change the mappings.
Under the HIGHMEM scheme, the mappings from kernel virtual addresses to physical addresses aren't fixed - parts of physical memory are mapped in and out of the kernel virtual address space as the kernel needs access to that memory. This allows more physical memory to be used, but at the cost of having to constantly change the virtual-to-physical mappings, which is quite an expensive operation.
Mapping 1 GB to kernel in each process allows processes to switch to kernel mode without also performing a context switch. Responses to system calls such as read(), mmap() and others can then be appropriately processed in the calling process' address space.
If space for the kernel were not reserved in each process, switching to "kernel mode" in between executing user space code would be more expensive, and be unable to use virtual address mapping through the hardware MMU (memory management unit) for the system calls being serviced.
Systems running a 32bit kernel with more than 1GB of physical memory, are able to assign physical memory locations in ZONE_HIGHMEM (roughly above the 1GB mark), which can require the kernel to jump through hoops for certain operations to interact with them. The addition of PAE (physical address extension), extends this problem by allowing upto 64GB of physical memory, decreasing the ratio of memory within the 1GB physical address memory, to regions allocated in ZONE_HIGHMEM.
For example the system calls use the kernel space.
You can have 64GB of physical ram, but on 32-bit platforms processors can access only 4gb because of the 32-bit virtual addressing. Actually, you can have 1GB of RAM and 3GB of swap and virtual addressing will make it look like you have 4GB. On 64-bit platforms virtual addressing is practically unlimited.
In linux kernel, mem_map is the array which holds all "struct page" descriptors. Those pages includes the 128MiB memory in lowmem for dynamically mapping highmem.
Since the lowmem size is 1GiB, so the mem_map array has only 1GiB/4KiB＝256KiB entries. If each entry size is 32 byte, then the mem_map memory size = 8MiB. But if we could use mem_map to map all 4GiB physical memory(if we have so much physical memory available on x86-32), then the mem_map array would occupy 32MiB, that is not a lot of kernel memory(or am i wrong?).
So my question is: why do we need to use that 128MiB in low for indirect highmem mapping in the first place? Or put another way, why not to map all those max 4GiB physical memory(if available) in the kernel space directly?
Note: if my understanding of the kernel source above is wrong, please correct. Thanks!
Look Here: http://www.xml.com/ldd/chapter/book/ch13.html
Kernel low memory is the 'real' memory map, addressed with 32-bit pointers on x86.
Kernel high memory is the 'virtual' memory map, addressed with virtual structures on x86.
You don't want to map it all into the kernel address space, because you can't always address all of it, and you need most of your memory for virtual memory segments (virtual, page-mapped process space.)
At least, that's how I read it. Wow, that's a complicated question you asked.
To throw more confusion, chapter 13 talks about some PCI devices not being able to address the 32-bit space, which was the genesis of my previous comment:
On x86, some kernel memory usage is limited to the first Gigabyte of memory bacause of DMA addressing concerns. I'm not 100% familiar with the topic, but there's a comapatibility mode for DMA on the PCI bus. That may be what you are looking at.
3.6 GB is not the ceiling when using physical address extension, which is commonly needed on most modern x86 boards, especially with memory hotplug.
Or put another way, why not to map all those max 4GiB physical
memory(if available) in the kernel space directly?
One reason is userspace: every usespace process have its own virtual address space. Suppose you have 4Gb of RAM on x86. So if we suggest that kernel owns 1Gb of memory (~800 directly mapped + ~200 vmalloc) all other ~3Gb should be dynamically distributed between processes spinning in user space. So how can you map your 4Gbs directly when you have a several address spaces?
why do we need zone_highmem on x86?
The reason is the same. Kernel reserves only ~800Mb for low mem. All other memory will be allocated and connected with particular virtual address only on demand. For example if you will execute a binary a new virtual address space will be created and some pages will be allocated for storing your binary code and data (heap ,stack ...). So the key attribute of high mem is to serve dynamic memory allocation requests, you never know in advance what will be triggered by userspace...