I have a web application that requires PUSH notifications. I looked into node.js and socket.io and have an example that's working. The question I have is, Is it possible to use socket.io only in my client side JS without running a node.js server?
Can a third party server just send requests to a proxy server and may be socket.io just listens to a port on the proxy server and sends back events to it?
Thanks,
You need a server side technology to send data back and forth via web sockets. Socket.io is a communication layer. Which means, you need to have a server side method to send data.
However,
You can use various third party services to use web sockets and notifications. They are relatively easy to use, and they have support for many other languages.
Check some of these out:
http://pusher.com/
https://www.firebase.com/
http://www.pubnub.com/
https://www.tambur.io/
https://fanout.io/
You don't need to run Node.js to have a real time push notifications. You can use a third party service that does it for you. Most of them are cheap, sometimes free for low traffic instances.
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I having some doubts that:-
what is need to use the socket.io client we can use only the socket.io server to stop refreshing the app.
what is different between the socket.io client and socket.io server.
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socket-io.client is the code for the client-side implementation of socket.io. That code may be used either by a browser client or by a server process that is initiating a socket.io connection to some other server (thus playing the client-side role in a socket.io connection).
A server that is not initiating socket.io connections to other servers would not use this code. This has been made a little more confusing that it probably should be because when using socket.io, it appears that both client and server are using the same socket.io.js file (because they both refer to a file with the same name), but is not actually the case. The server is using a different file than the client.
From the Github page for socket-io.client:
A standalone build of socket.io-client is exposed automatically by the socket.io server as /socket.io/socket.io.js. Alternatively you can serve the file socket.io.js found at the root of this repository.
Keep in mind that there are unique features that belong to client and server so it should not be a surprise that they use some different code. Though they share code for parsing the protocol and things like that, the server has the ability to run a server or hook into an existing web server and it has methods like .join() and .leave() and data structures that keep track of all the connected sockets and is expected to live in the node.js environment. The client has the ability to initiate a connection (send the right http request), do polling if webSockets are not supported, build on a native webSocket implementation if present, etc....
I never done any API, I just recently become aware of REST, never used sockets or node.js, but I have this simple project in mind using all of these.
Imagine usual app with request/response stuff. Nothing fancy. But then sometimes I need real time functionality, lets say there's a live support for website, a chat. So majority of users never need sockets and everything is easy, but when they do, what's then? How that would look and work with restful api?
As you tag, socket.io is perfect for you. It creates a socket within the browser to your server without the user installing any third party program, using websockets and longpolling. And for the users that have old browsers and don't have those browser built-in functions, it can fallback to a third party plugin: Flash Player, but almost all browsers have it installed.
Is you are used to Javascript or object oriented programming, socket.io and node.js is a walk in the park. If you don't want to use node.js and socket.io, you can write your own implementation of client-server with this info:
WebSockets
Long Polling example
Flash AS3 Socket
As a small adition, simply you need your default web server (Apache, Nginx, Lighthttpd, whatever...) running in default port 80 and also running a node.js server in other port, let's say 8080. That second server will serve all the files needed to connect, because socket.io can only connect to the same domain and port that served the files (security reasons, I guess).
In short, you'll have 2 servers: One serving your entire webpage and another one serving the files needed to connect to your chat (and also serving the chat, obviously).
I have exactly that configuration made in one of my pages (a live sports streaming site) and to add the chat to my site I have this server running in port 8080 and I load it in the main page inside an iframe: http://www.example.com:8080/
As an adition, you can create a complete http server in node.js, but I don't guess that it is useful as a professional web server.
I have a program in an embedded device that outputs an xml string to a socket. The embedded device has lighthttpd has a web server. I want to use a web based client (no flash/silverlight) to connect to the socket and pull the xml data every second.
I looked at Node.js with Socket.io to get what I want to do, but I am not clear about how to proceed. Searching through the Node.js and Socket.io documentation and examples I see standard client-server behavior, nothing regarding what I am trying to do.
Basically, the web server is just there to accept a connection from a client on the socket that the embedded application is outputting data to. Basically the web server's purpose is to just let the client retrieve data from the raw tcp socket that the embedded application is writing to. Please advice.
I solved the problem using Websockify, which acts as bridge between a TCP Socket and a browser.
The html client will connect to a websocket, and Websockify will listen on the websocket port and transmit data between the websocket and the tcp socket.
Web browsers have the ability to do HTTP requests (which can be web page requests or Ajax requests for data) and webSocket connections. You will need to pick one of these two mechanisms if you're sticking with stock browser access.
If the lighthttpd web server in the embedded device does not support webSockets, then your choice will like be an Ajax call from the browser to your server. This is basically just an HTTP request that make return something different than a web page (often JSON data) and is designed to fetch data from the server into a web client.
If the lighthttpd web server does support webSockets, then you could use a webSocket connection to fetch the data too. This has an advantage of being a persistent connection and allows for the server to directly send data to the client (without the client even requesting more data) whenever it wants to (more efficient for constant updates).
An Ajax connection is generally not persistent. A client sends an Ajax request, the server returns the answer and the connection is closed. The next request starts a new Ajax request.
Either Ajax requests or webSocket connections should work just fine for your use. All browsers still in use support Ajax. WebSockets are supported in modern browsers (IE10 and higher).
Once you decide upon a client connection strategy, then you'd build your web app on the embedded device that served as the middleman between the browser and the data on the embedded device. It would collect the appropriate data from the embedded device and then be able to send that to browser clients that connected and requested the data.
I'm not sure exactly why you mentioned node.js. In this circumstance, it would be used as the web server and the environment for building your app and the logic that collects the data from your device and feeds it to the requesting web browser, but it sounds like you already have lighthttpd for this purpose. Personally, I recommend node.js if it works in your environment. Combined with socket.io (for webSocket support), it's a very nice way to connect browsers directly to an embedded device. I have an attic fan controller written in node.js and running on a Raspberry Pi. The node.js app monitors temperature probes and controls relays that switch attic fans and node.js also serves as a web server for me to administer and monitor the node.js. All-in-all, it's a pretty slick environment if you already know and like programming in Javascript and there's a rich set of add-in modules to extend its capabilities available through NPM. If, however, your embedded device isn't a common device that there is already support for node.js on or it doesn't already have node.js on it, then you'd be facing a porting tasks to make node.js run on it which might be more work than using some other development environment that already runs on the device like lighthttpd.
I basically want to know if its possible to use Socket.io using the server-side only with no client side? BUT I want to know if my server-side can instead connect with a different site that I cannot use Socket.io to connect to.
Use PhantomJS to load the third-party site and then inject your own javascript into the page to catch events and send those events back to your own server.
socket.io is a two-way connection. Client <--> Server. You must have a socket.io endpoint at both ends to even establish a connection in the first place. And, then once you establish the connection, you must have agreed upon messages that can be exchanged between the two ends for it to do anything useful.
It is not useful to have a server-side socket.io that doesn't actually connect to anything and nothing connects to it. It wouldn't be doing anything, just sitting there waiting for someone to connect to it.
It is possible to have two cooperating servers connect to one another with socket.io (one server just acts like a client in that case by initiating the connection to the other server). But, again both endpoints must participate in the connection for the connection to even be established and certainly for it to do anything useful.
If you just want to download the contents of a site for scraping purposes, then you would not use socket.io for that. You would just use the nodejs http module (or any of several other modules built on top of it). Your server would essentially pretend to be a browser. It would request a web page from any random web server using HTTP (not socket.io). That web server would return the web page via the normal HTTP request. Your receiving server can then do whatever it wants with that web page (scrape it, whatever).
There will be no human being in the loop, and both endpoints are autonomous Node.js applications operating as independent services.
Endpoint A is responsible for contacting Endpoint B via secure web socket, and maintaining that connection 24/7/365.
Both endpoints will initiate messages independently (without human intervention), and both endpoints will have an API (RESTful or otherwise) to receive and process messages. You might say that each endpoint is both a client of, and a server to, the other endpoint.
I am considering frameworks like Sails.js and LoopBack (implemented on both endpoints), as well as simply passing JSON messages over ws, but remain unclear what the most idiomatic approach would be.
Web Sockets have a lot of overhead for connecting to browsers and what not, since they try to remain compatible with HTTP. If you're just connecting a pair of servers, a simple TCP connection will suffice. You can use the net module for this.
Now, once you have that connection, how do you initiate communication? You could go through the trouble of making your own protocol, but I don't recommend it. I found that a simple RPC was easiest. You can use the rpc-stream package over any duplex stream (including your TCP socket).
For my own application, I actually installed socket.io-client and let my servers use it for RPC. Although if I were to do it again, I would use rpc-stream to skip all the overhead required for setting up a Web Socket connection.