I'm working on an external web site (in DMZ) that needs to get data from our internal production database.
All of the designs that I have come up with are rejected because the network department will not allow a connection of any sort (WCF, Oracle, etc.) to come inside from the DMZ.
The suggestions that have come from the networking side generally fall under two categories -
1) Export the required data to a server in the DMZ and export modified/inserted records eventually somehow, or
2) Poll from inside, continually asking a service in the DMZ whether it has any requests that need serviced.
I'm averse to suggestion 1 because I don't like the idea of a database sitting in the DMZ. Option 2 seems like a ridiculous amount of extra complication for the nature of what's being done.
Are these the only legitimate solutions? Is there an obvious solution I'm missing? Is the "No connections in from DMZ" decree practical?
Edit: One line I'm constantly hearing is that "no large company allows a web site to connect inside to get live production data. That's why they send confirmation emails". Is that really how it works?
I'm sorry, but your networking department are on crack or something like that - they clearly do not understand what the purpose of a DMZ is. To summarize - there are three "areas" - the big, bad outside world, your pure and virginal inside world, and the well known, trusted, safe DMZ.
The rules are:
Connections from outside can only get to hosts in the DMZ, and on specific ports (80, 443, etc);
Connections from the outside to the inside are blocked absolutely;
Connections from the inside to either the DMZ or the outside are fine and dandy;
Only hosts in the DMZ may establish connections to the inside, and again, only on well known and permitted ports.
Point four is the one they haven't grasped - the "no connections from the DMZ" policy is misguided.
Ask them "How does our email system work then?" I assume you have a corporate mail server, maybe exchange, and individuals have clients that connect to it. Ask them to explain how your corporate email, with access to internet email, works and is compliant with their policy.
Sorry, it doesn't really give you an answer.
I am a security architect at a fortune 50 financial firm. We had these same conversations. I don't agree with your network group. I understand their angst, and I understand that they would like a better solution but most places don't opt with the better choices (due to ignorance on their part [ie the network guys not you]).
Two options if they are hard set on this:
You can use a SQL proxy solution like greensql (I don't work for them, just know of them) they are just greensql dot com.
The approach they refer to that most "Large orgs" use is a tiered web model. Where you have a front end web server (accessed by the public at large), a mid-tier (application or services layer where the actual processes occurs), and a database tier. The mid-tier is the only thing that can talk to the database tier. In my opinion this model is optimal for most large orgs. BUT that being said, most large orgs will run into either a vendor provided product that does not support a middle tier, they developed without a middle tier and the transition requires development resources they dont have to spare to develop the mid-tier web services, or plain outright there is no priorty at some companies to go that route.
Its a gray area, no solid right or wrong in that regard, so if they are speaking in finality terms then they are clearly wrong. I applaud their zeal, as a security professional I understand where they are coming from. BUT, we have to enable to business to function securely. Thats the challange and the gauntlet I always try and throw down to myself. how can I deliver what my customer (my developers, my admins, my dbas, business users) what they want (within reason, and if I tell someone no I always try to offer an alternative that meets most of their needs).
Honestly it should be an open conversation. Here's where I think you can get some room, ask them to threat model the risk they are looking to mitigate. Ask them to offer alternative solutions that enable your web apps to function. If they are saying they cant talk, then put the onus on them to provide a solution. If they can't then you default to it working. Site that you open connections from the dmz to the db ONLY for the approved ports. Let them know that DMZ is for offering external services. External services are not good without internal data for anything more than potentially file transfer solutions.
Just my two cents, hope this comment helps. And try to be easy on my security brethren. We have some less experienced misguided in our flock that cling to some old ways of doing things. As the world evolves the threat evolves and so does our approach to mitigation.
Why don't you replicate your database servers? You can ensure that the connection is from the internal servers to the external servers and not the other way.
One way is to use the ms sync framework - you can build a simple windows service that can synchronize changes from internal database to your external database (which can reside on a separate db server) and then use that in your public facing website. Advantage is, your sync logic can filter out sensitive data and keep only things that are really necessary. And since the entire control of data will be in your internal servers (PUSH data out instead of pull) I dont think IT will have an issue with that.
The connection formed is never in - it is out - which means no ports need to be opened.
I'm mostly with Ken Ray on this; however, there appears to be some missing information. Let's see if I get this right:
You have a web application.
Part of that web application needs to display data from a different production server (not the one that normally backs your site).
The data you want/need is handled by a completely different application internally.
This data is critical to the normal flow of your business and only a limited set needs to be available to the outside world.
If I'm on track, then I would have to say that I agree with your IT department and I wouldn't let you directly access that server either.
Just take option 1. Have the production server export the data you need to a commonly accessible drop location. Have the other db server (one in the DMZ) pick up the data and import it on a regular basis. Finally, have your web app ONLY talk to the db server in the dmz.
Given how a lot of people build sites these days I would also be loath to just open a sql port from the dmz to the web server in question. Quite frankly I could be convinced to open the connection if I was assured that 1. you only used stored procs to access the data you need; 2. the account information used to access the database was encrypted and completely restricted to only running those procs; 3. those procs had zero dynamic sql and were limited to selects; 4. your code was built right.
A regular IT person would probably not be qualified to answer all of those questions. And if this database was from a third party, I would bet you might loose support if you were to start accessing it from outside it's normal application.
Before talking about your particular problem I want to deal with the Update that you provided.
I haven't worked for a "large" company - though large is hard to judge without a context, but I have built my share of web applications for the non profit and university department that I used to work for. In both situations I have always connected to the production DB that is on the internal Network from the Web server on the DMZ. I am pretty sure many large companies do this too; think for example of how Sharepoint's architecture is setup - back-end indexing, database, etc. servers, which are connected to by front facing web servers located in the DMZ.
Also the practice of sending confirmation e-mails, which I believe you are referring to confirmations when you register for a site don't usually deal with security. They are more a method to verify that a user has entered a valid e-mail address.
Now with that out of the way, let us look at your problem. Unfortunately, other than the two solutions you presented, I can't think of any other way to do this. Though some things that you might want to think about:
Solutions 1:
Depending on the sensitivity of the data that you need to work with, extracting it onto a server on the DMZ - whether using a service or some sort of automatic synchronization software - goes against basic security common sense. What you have done is move the data from a server behind a firewall to one that is in front of it. They might as well just let you get to the internal db server from the DMZ.
Solution 2:
I am no networking expert, so please correct me if I am wrong, but a polling mechanism still requires some sort of communication back from the web server to inform the database server that it needs some data back, which means a port needs to be open, and again you might as well tell them to let you get to the internal database without the hassle, because you haven't really added any additional security with this method.
So, I hope that this helps in at least providing you with some arguments to allow you to access the data directly. To me it seems like there are many misconceptions in your network department over how a secure database backed web application architecture should look like.
Here's what you could do... it's a bit of a stretch, but it should work...
Write a service that sits on the server in the DMZ. It will listen on three ports, A, B, and C (pick whatever port numbers make sense). I'll call this the DMZ tunnel app.
Write another service that lives anywhere on the internal network. It will connect to the DMZ tunnel app on port B. Once this connection is established, the DMZ tunnel app no longer needs to listen on port B. This is the "control connection".
When something connects to port A of the DMZ tunnel app, it will send a request over the control connection for a new DB/whatever connection. The internal tunnel app will respond by connecting to the internal resource. Once this connection is established, it will connect back to the DMZ tunnel app on port C.
After possibly verifying some tokens (this part is up to you) the DMZ tunnel app will then forward data back and forth between the connections it received on port A and C. You will effectively have a transparent TCP proxy created from two services running in the DMZ and on the internal network.
And, for the best part, once this is done you can explain what you did to your IT department and watch their faces as they realize that you did not violate the letter of their security policy, but you are still being productive. I tell you, they will hate that.
If all development solutions cannot be applied because of system engineering restriction in DMZ then give them the ball.
Put your website in intranet, and tell them 'Now I need inbound HTTP:80 or HTTPS:443 connections to that applications. Set up what you want : reverse proxies, ISA Server, protocols break, SSL... I will adapt my application if necessary.'
About ISA, I guess they got one if you have exchange with external connections.
Lot of companies are choosing this solution when a resource need to be shared between intranet and public.
Setting up a specific and intranet network with high security rules is the best way to make the administration, integration and deployment easier. What is easier is well known, what is known is masterized : less security breach.
More and more system enginers (like mines) prefer to maintain an intranet network with small 'security breach' like HTTP than to open other protocols and ports.
By the way, if they knew WCF services, they would have accepted this solution. This is the most secure solution if well designed.
Personnaly, I use this two methods : TCP(HTTP or not) Services and ISA Server.
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I am working on implementing a microservices-based application using node.js. While searching for examples on how to implement the api gateway, I came across the following article that seems to provide an example on implementing the api gateway: https://memz.co/api-gateway-microservices-docker-node-js/. Though, finding example for implementing the api gateway pattern in node.js seems to be a little hard to come by so far, this article seemed to be a really good example.
There are a few items that are still unclear and I am still have issues finding doc. on.
1) Security is a major item for the app. I am developing, I am having trouble seeing where the authentication should take place (i.e. using passport, should I add the authentication items in the api gateway and pass the jwt token along with the request to the corresponding microservice as the user's logged in information is needed for certain activities? The only issue here seems to be that all of the microservices would need passport in order to decrypt the jwt token to get the user's profile information. Would the microservice be technically, inaccessible to the outside world except through the api gateway as this seems to be the aim?
2) How does this scenario change if I need to scale to multiple servers with docker images on each one? How would this affect load balancing, as it seems like something would have to sit at a higher level to deal with load balancing?
I can tell that much depends on your application requirements. Really.
I'm now past the 5 years of experience in production microservices using several languages going from medium to very large scale system.
None of them shared the same requirements, and without having a deep understanding of what you need and what are your business (product) requirements it would be hard to know what's the right answer, by the way I'll try to share some experience to help you get it right.
Ideally you want the security to be encapsulated in an external service, so that you can update and apply new policies faster. Also you'll be able to deprecate all existing tokens should you find a breach in your system or if someone in your team inadvertedly pushes some secret key (or cert) to an external service.
You could handle authentication on each single service or using an edge newtwork tool (such as the API Gateway). Becareful choosing how to handle it because each one has it's own privileges:
Choosing the API Gateway your services will remain lighter and do not need to know anything about the authentication steps, but surely at some point you'll need to know who the authenticated user is and you need some plain reference to it (a JSON record, a link or ID to a "user profile" service). How you do it it's up to your requirements and we can even go deeper talking about different pros and cons about each possible choice applicable for your case.
Choosing to handle it at the service level requires you (and your teams) to understand better about the security process taking place (you can hide it with a good library) and you'll need to give them support from your security team (it's may also be yourself btw you know the more service implementing security, the more things you'll have to think about to avoid adding unnecessary features). The big problem here is that you'll often end up stopping your tasks to think about what would help you out on this particular service and you'll be tempted to extend your authentication service (and God, unless you really know what you're doing, don't add a single call not needed for authentication purposes).
One thing is easy to be determined: you surely need to think about tokens (jwt, jwe or, again, whatever your requirements impose).
JWT has good benefits, but data is exposed to spoofing, so never put in there sensitive data or things you wouldn't publicly share about your user (e.g. an ID is probably fine, while security questions or resolution to 2FA would not). JWE is an encrypted form of the spec. A common token (with no meaning) would require a backend to get the data, but it works much like cookie-sessions and data is not leaving your servers.
You need to define yourself the boundaries of your services and do yourself a favor: make each service boundaries clean, defined and standard.
Try to define common policies and standardize interactions, I know it may be easier to add a queue here, a REST endpoint there, a RPC there, but you'll soon end up with a bunch of IPC you will not be able to handle anymore and it will soon catch your attention.
Also if your business solution is pretty heavy to do I don't think it's a good idea to do yourself the API Gateway, Security and so on. I'd go with open source, community supported (or even company-backed if you have some budget) and production-tested solutions.
By definition microservice architectures are very dynamic, you'll fight to keep it immutable between each deployment version, but unless you're a big firm you cannot effort keeping live thousands of servers. This means you'll discover bugs that only presents under certain circumstances you cannot spot in other environments (it happens often to not be able to reproduce them).
By choosing to develop the whole stack yourself you agree with having to deal with maintenance and bug-discovery in your whole stack. So when you try to load a page that has 25 services interacting you know it may be failing because of a bug in: your API Gateway, your Security implementation, your token parser, your user account service, your business service A to N, your database service (if any), your database load balance (if any), your database instance.
I know it's tempting to do everything, but try to keep it flat and do what you need to do. By following this path you'll think about your product, which I think is what's the most important think to do now.
To complete my answer, about the scaling issues:
it doesn't matter. Whatever choice you pick it will scale seamlessly:
API Gateway should be able to work on a pool of backends (so from that server you should be able to redirect to N backend machines you can put live when you need to, you can even have some API to support automatic registration of new instances, or even simples put the IP of an Elastic Load Balancer or HAproxy or equivalents, and as you add backends to them it will just work -you have moved the multiple IPs issue from the API Gateway to one layer down).
If you handle authentication at services level (and you have an API Gateway) see #1
If you handle authentication at services level (without an API Gateway) then you need to look at some other level in your stack: load balancing (layer 3 or layer 7), or the DNS level, you can use several features of DNS to put different IPs to answer from, using even advanced features like Anycast if you need latency distribution.
I know this answer introduced a lot of other questions, but I really tried to answer your question. The fact is that you need to understand and evaluate a lot of things when planning a microservice architecture and I'd not write a SLOC without a very-written-plan printed on every wall of my office.
You'll often need to go mental focus and exit from a single service to review the global vision and check everything is going fine.
I don't want to scare you, I'm rather trying to make you think to succeed.
I just want you to make sure you correctly evaluated all of the possibilities before to decide to do everything from scratch.
P.S. Should you choose to act using an API gateway be sure to limit services to only accept requests through it. On the same machine just start listening on localhost, on multiple machines you'll need some advanced networking rule depending on your operating system.
Good Luck!
The scenario is - I need to send push notification to Apple push server hosted at gateway.sandbox.push.apple.com. This Apple server is load balanced and the destination IP address can be anything in 17.x.x.x block.
Now my server which will be requesting Apple server is in secure environment and is behind firewalls. I have got the IP range 17.x.x.x unblocked, but DNS resolving is not possible on that server. That server also doesn't have Internet access on it.
What I did was - I pinged the Apple server from another system and got the Apple server's IP address for the moment. Then I mapped that IP address with the DNS name in the hosts file of my Windows server. This worked, but now the IP address can change anytime at the Apple end, and this will break things.
What can I do in this scenario?
You can talk to your security people and in cooperation with them come up with a proper, internally supported, way to provide what you need. What you need is to look up an address, and then talk to that address. Currently, you are only provided half of that.
What you're asking us for is a way to circumvent your own organization's security policies (policies that admittedly appear stupid, but that's another matter entirely). Even if someone here can come up with a technical way to do what you ask that works for now, it's likely to break at any time, since you're working at odds with your own workplace. Also, what will your bosses say if they find out that you're violating security policies?
Security very often comes down to tradeoffs. As the saying goes, the only truly secure system is one that has been encased in concrete and sunk to the bottom of the sea. But such a system will also be somewhat difficult to get useful work out of, so usually we accept lesser security in order to get work done. In your case, the tradeoff currently sits in a place that prevents you from doing whatever it is you're working on. So your organization needs to make a choice: change the tradeoff so that your machine can look up names, or keep the current tradeoff and accept that your task will not be done.
I'm sorry that I can't give you a straight up "Sure, do this" kind of answer, but your problem really is not technical.
While the are many social networks in the wild, most rely on data stored on a central site owned by a third party.
I'd like to build a solution, where data remains local on member's systems. Think of the project as an address book, which automagically updates contact's data as soon a a contact changes its coordinates. This base idea might get extended later on...
Updates will be transferred using public/private key cryptography using a central host. The sole role of the host is to be a store and forward intermediate. Private keys remain private on each member's system.
If two client are both online and a p2p connection could be established, the clients could transfer data telegrams without the central host.
Thus, sender and receiver will be the only parties which are able create authentic messages.
Questions:
Do exist certain protocols which I should adopt?
Are there any security concerns I should keep in mind?
Do exist certain services which should be integrated or used somehow?
More technically:
Use e.g. Amazon or Google provided services?
Or better use a raw web-server? If yes: Why?
Which algorithm and key length should be used?
UPDATE-1
I googled my own question title and found this academic project developed 2008/09: http://www.lifesocial.org/.
The solution you are describing sounds remarkably like email, with encrypted messages as the payload, and an application rather than a human being creating the messages.
It doesn't really sound like "p2p" - in most P2P protocols, the only requirement for central servers is discovery - you're using store & forward.
As a quick proof of concept, I'd set up an email server, and build an application that sends emails to addresses registered on that server, encrypted using PGP - the tooling and libraries are available, so you should be able to get that up and running in days, rather than weeks. In my experience, building a throw-away PoC for this kind of question is a great way of sifting out the nugget of my idea.
The second issue is that the nature of a social network is that it's a network. Your design may require you to store more than the data of the two direct contacts - you may also have to store their friends, or at least the public interactions those friends have had.
This may not be part of your plan, but if it is, you need to think it through early on - you may end up having to transmit the entire social graph to each participant for local storage, which creates a scalability problem....
The paper about Safebook might be interesting for you.
Also you could take a look at other distributed OSN and see what they are doing.
None of the federated networks mentioned on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_social_network is actually distributed. What Stefan intends to do is indeed new and was only explored by some proprietary folks.
I've been thinking about the same concept for the last two years. I've finally decided to give it a try using Python.
I've spent the better part of last night and this morning writing a sockets communication script & server. I also plan to remove the central server from the equation as it's just plain cumbersome and there's no point to it when all the members could keep copies of their friend's keys.
Each profile could be accessed via a hashed string of someone's public key. My social network relies on nodes and pods. Pods are computers which have their ports open to the network. They help with relaying traffic as most firewalls block incoming socket requests. Nodes store information and share it with other nodes. Each node will get a directory of active pods which may be used to relay their traffic.
The PeerSoN project looks like something you might be interested in: http://www.peerson.net/index.shtml
They have done a lot of research and the papers are available on their site.
Some thoughts about it:
protocols to use: you could think exactly on P2P programs and their design
security concerns: privacy. Take a great care to not open doors: a whole system can get compromised 'cause you have opened some door.
services: you could integrate with the regular social networks through their APIs
People will have to install a program in their computers and remeber to open it everytime, like any P2P client. Leaving everything on a web-server has a smaller footprint / necessity of user action.
Somehow you'll need a centralized server to manage the searches. You can't just broadcast the internet to find friends. Or you'll have to rely uppon email requests to add somenone, and to do that you'll need to know the email in advance.
The fewer friends /contacts use your program, the fewer ones will want to use it, since it won't have contact information available.
I see that your server will be a store and forward, so the update problem is solved.
I'm developing a chat application (in VB.Net). It will be a "secure" chat program. All traffic will be encrypted (I also need to find the best approach for this, but that's not the question for now).
Currently the program works. I have a server application and a client application. However I want to setup the application so that it doesn't need a central server for it to work.
What approach can I take to decentralize the network?
I think I need to develop the clients in a way so that they do also act as a server.
How would the clients know what server it needs to connect with / what happens if a server is down? How would the clients / servers now what other nodes there are in the network without having a central server?
At best I don't want the clients to know what the IP addresses are of the different nodes, however I don't think this would be possible without having a central server.
As stated the application will be written in VB.Net, but I think the language doesn't really matter at this point.
Just want to know the different approaches I can follow.
Look for example at the paper of the Kademlia protocol (you can find it here). If you just want a quick overview, look at the Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kademlia. The Kademlia protocol defines a way of node lookups in a network in a decentral way. It has been successfully applied in the eMule software - so it is tested to really work.
It should cause no serious problems to apply it to your chat software.
You need some known IP address for clients to initially get into a network. Once a client is part of a network, things can be more decentralized, but that first step needs something.
There are basically only two options - either the user provides one (for an existing node of the network - essentially how BitTorrent trackers work), or you hard-code in a gateway node (which is effectively a central server).
Maybe you can see uChat program. It's a program from uTorrent creator with chat without server in mind.
The idea is connect to a swarm from a magnetlink and use it to send an receive messages. This is as Amber answer, you need an access point, may it be a server, a know swarm, manual ip, etc.
Here is uChat presentation: http://blog.bittorrent.com/2011/06/30/uchat-we-just-need-each-other/
I'm looking to implement a basic product activation scheme such that when the program is launched it will contact our server via http to complete the activation. I'm wondering if it is a big problem (especially with bigger companies or educational organizations) that firewalls will block the outgoing http request and prevent activation. Any idea how big as issue this may be?
In my experience when HTTP traffic is blocked by a hardware firewall then there is more often than not a proxy server which is used to browse the internet. Therefore it is good practice to allow the user to enter proxy and authentication details.
The amount of times I have seen applications fail due to not using a corporate proxy server and therefore being blocked by the firewall astonishes me.
there are personal software solutions to purposely block outgoing connections. Check out little snitch. This program can set up rules that explicitly block your computer from making connections to certain domains, IP's and / or Ports. A common use for this program is to stop one's computer from "phoning home" to an activation server.
I can't tell you how prevalent this will be, sorry. But I can give you one data point.
In this company Internet access is granted on an as needed basis. There is one product I have had to support which is wonderful for its purpose and reasonably priced, but I will never approve its purchase again - the licensing is too much of a hassle to be worth it.
I'd say that it may not be common, but if any one of your customers is a business it's likely that you will encounter someone who tryes to run your software behind a restricted internet connection or a proxy. Your software will need to handle this situation, otherwise you will ahve a pissed off customer who cannot use your product, and you will lose the sale for sure.
If you are looking for a third party tool, I've used InstallKey (www.lomacons.com) for product activations. This thing has functionaility that allows for validating with and without an internet connection.