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I know this question may sound silly, but I am learning (at least trying) Haskell for about 4 days. I've already finished to read http://learnyouahaskell.com/, and now I am investing time in: The Haskell Road to Logic, Math and Programming, and things got really complicated for me. I don't have experience in functional programming, just some basic knowledge on Lisp.
Even though I understand the concepts, when I have to write a not so basic piece of code, there's a total darkness and I cannot build a plan in my head. It seems that there are a lot of ways to accomplish a certain task, but I cannot express myself.
After 4 days of python, I could've write complex scripts (not 'pythonic', but they did work). After 4 days in haskell, I am ... almost blank.
Any suggestions on how to improve my functional skills ?
How long did it take for you to fully grasp Haskell ?
After about 2 years there are some parts of Haskell I know very well (Ptr stuff, vector libraries), some areas I know just enough to be dangerous (template haskell), and others I haven't touched (web frameworks, generics). Overall, though, I think I understand the language pretty well.
A large difficulty of learning Haskell is the (very steep IMO) learning curve. There are a lot of different inter-connected things you need to learn before you can be productive in the language, and because they're interconnected it's difficult to get a good sense of them without at least a few months of experience. My advice is to keep at it, and if you think you don't understand something, or that something deeper is happening, you're probably right. If you can't figure it out now, just move on and come back to it in a month or so. Eventually you'll make enough progress on multiple fronts that everything should become clear.
Like any language, the best way to make progress is to write code. It will take longer because Haskell is further away from the languages you already know, but it will be worth it.
Well, after 2 years I still don't fully grasp everything about Haskell. I can write "advanced" programs (after ca. 2-3 months of starting to learn Haskell), but people keep coming up with new stuff to learn, which is part of the fun of Haskell :)
As for how best to learn, I always like to learn by doing. Browse through the code of something you're interested in on Hackage (something not to big) and then try to implement something like it yourself (or a subset). Pick a project you can keep adding more difficut layers to over time.
After a 150 hour functional programming course at university, we did
Sorting functions
Making binary tree's
Using/writing functions like map, filter, zip
.. might have forgotten something
So just basics I'd say, in about one month full time. Four days is nothing... I think you'll just have to write more code to get used to the functional programming way of thinking. Implementing everything from bottom to top, doing harder stuff as you gain experience.
I studied at a Haskell-heavy university (Utrecht) and I liked Haskell a lot, so I took the following courses which all used Haskell:
Introductory FP (semester)
Grammars and Parsing with Haskell (semester)
Implementation of Programming Languages (semester)
Generic Programming (semester)
Software Construction (2 months)
Advanced Functional Programming (2 months)
I also was a TA (Teacher's Assistant) helping out with the practicals for Introductory and Implementation. And I wrote my M.Sc. on (Generic) Haskell.
So that seems like an awful lot, but I 'got' FP somewhere halfway in the Introductory course. Having a strong math background helped in my case, so I was already used in breaking down problems into simple functions. As for writing real programs, writing a Go program in Haskell was a fun exercise to learn to work with monads (the GUI was in TclHaskell, ugh!)
I think the Haskell learning curve is very strange. At the beginning, you understand almost nothing – more strangely, at most points where you want to apply your imperative knowledge (buffering, etc) you get told that you should simply forget anything about it.
After this phase, there usually comes the chapter in your book where you're taught the special flavours of Haskell. At least at this point, your brain is supposed to burst and nearly anybody thinks:
How crazy can somebody be to develop something like monads???
But as soon, as you also grasped this, nothing stops you from understanding the rest, and you think soon, how difficult and verbose imperative programming was.
BTW, it took my 2 month to understand the basics, I started February 2010. But it took me again 4 month to understand some more difficult thinks like function parameters and resulting effects (specially the State monad was a miracle until I found a nice description on SO how IO works - just the same way ;), but I see quite new think everywhere.
I'm by no means a Haskell expert, but I have two suggestions:
Take the time to play around with pure lambda calculus (or even SKI, if you are brave). Basically Haskell allows you to do the same things a little bit more comfortable and type-safe
Try to solve common problems, e.g. from Project Euler. But don't stop there, try to compare your code with other people's solutions.
The given estimations of 1~3 months to grok the basics seem realistic to me.
It will be a while before Haskell will start making sense. I am in my second month of learning Haskell and this my second attempt in the last two years. This time around, I started off with The Little Schemer. Then I watched Giesel's videos. Reading the RWH for the first time was a disaster, but now it is making a bit of sense, so hopefully in another 6 months it would be clearer. The code I am able to write in Haskell is much more succinct.
Bottomline keep at it, it will take time, but it's worth it. BTW, IRC #haskell is a great resource to help you get up to speed.
My advice, find a small programming project and gnaw at it in Haskell. Don't worry too much about writing it the Haskelly way. Just start doing it Haskell..
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Its always said that more you program, the better you become. Sounds good and true.
But I was wondering if there is a proven route to becoming a better programmer.
Something like:
Learn a
Learn b
Learn c > 'Now you are good to burn the engines'
Try stuff around based on your learning.
The answer might be similar to a CS course roadmap, but I want to hear from successful programmers who might want to pitch in with something notable.
Thanks
It's not true that practice makes perfect.
It's perfect practice that makes perfect.
If all you do is keep repeating the same bad practices again and again, you'll only make it possible to create bad code faster.
By all means keep coding. But at the same time be critical of everything you do. Always have a jaundiced eye that looks for ways to do things better. Read widely to get new ideas. Talk to others about how they do things. Look at other people's code, good and bad.
There's no "sure" way to learn anything that I know of. If there was, anyone could master this.
All questions are rhetorical and meant to stimulate thought.
Technical parts:
Design Patterns - There are probably some specific to a domain but generally these are useful ways of starting parts of an application. Do you know MVC or MVP?
Basic algorithm starting points - Divide and conquer, dynamic programming, recursion, creating special data types like a heap, being greedy, etc.
Problem solving skills - How easily can you jump in and find where a bug is? Can you think of multiple solutions to the problem?
Abstract modelling - How well can you picture things in your head in terms of code or classes when someone is describing a problem?
High level versus low level - How well do you understand when one wants something high or low? This is just something I'd toss out there as these terms get through around a lot, like a high level view of something or a low level language.
Process parts:
Agile - Do you know Scrum, XP, and other new approaches to managing software projects? How about principles like YAGNI, DRY and KISS? Or principles like SOLID? Ideas like Broken Windows?
Developer Environment - How well do you know the IDE you use? Source Control? Continuous Integration? Do you know the bottle necks on your machine in terms of being productive?
xDD - Do you know of TDD, BDD, and other developments driven from a paradigm?
Refactoring - Do you go back over your old code and make it better or do you tend to write once and then abandon your code?
Soft skills:
Emotional Intelligence - Can be useful for presentations and working with others mostly.
Passions/Motivation - Do you know what gets your juices flowing and just kick butt in terms of being productive? Do you know what you would like to do for many many years?
My main piece of advice would be: don't be afraid to rewrite your own code. Look at stuff you wrote even a month ago and you will see flaws and want to rewrite stuff.
Make sure that you understand some fundamentals: collections, equality, hashcodes etc. These are useful across pretty much all modern languages.
Depending on the language you use - use lint and metric tools and run them over your code. Not all their suggestions will be applicable but learning which are important and which are not is important. E.g FindBugs, PMD etc for Java.
Above all refine and keep refining your work. Don't treat your work as abandonware!
Learn your 1st programming language a new programming paradigm or a
find a mentor you can learn from
Apply what you've learnt in a real world project
Learn from your mistakes and successes and goto step one
The trick is knowing what to learn first:
Programming languages - this is the place to start bcause you cannot write software without knowing at least one of these. After you've mastered one language try learning another.
Programming paradigm - i.e. object oriented, dynamic/functional programming etc. Try to learn a new one with each new language.
Design concepts - S.O.L.I.D, design patterns as well as architectural concepts.
People skills - learn to communicate your ideas.
Team leadership - learn how to sweep others and how to become a team or technological lead.
After that the sky is the limit.
I would look at improving roughly in this order, in iterations with each building on the previous one:
Programming concepts. Understand things like memory management, pointers, stacks, variable scope, etc.
Languages. Work on mastering several modern languages.
Design concepts. Learn about design patterns. Practice using them.
Communication. Often-overlooked. You can only become a highly valued Software Engineer if you can communicate effectively with non-tech people. Learn to listen and understand the needs that people are expressing, translate that into a set of requirements and a technical design, but then explain what you understood (and designed) back to them, in terms they can understand, for validation before you code. This is not an easy one to master, but it is essential.
Architectural concepts. Learn to understand the big picture of large, complex systems.
Learning a programming language is in many ways similar to learning a spoken language. The only way to get good at it is to do it as often as possible. In other works
Practice, practice, read and then practice more
Take time to learn about all sorts of coding techniques, tools and programming wisdom. This I have found to be crucial to my development. It's to easy to just code away and feel productive. What about what could be if you just had some more knowledge / weaponry under your belt to bang out that next widget.
Knowledge/know how is our real currency. The more we know the more we can make a better decision about how something should be done and do it faster.
For example, learn about:
•Development Practices, Software Design, Estimation, Methodologies Business Analysis Database Design (there are a lot of great books out there and online resources)
•Read Code - Open Source Projects are a good place for this. Read
Programming blogs
•Try to participate on Open Source
Projects.
•Look for programming user groups in
your town and/or someone who can mentor you.
And yes, as mentioned practice. Don't just read, do and watch how you will improve. :)
Practice, practice, practice.
Once you're over the basic hump of being able to program, you can also read useful books (i.e. Code Complete, Effective Java or equivalents, etc.) for ideas on how to improve your code.
First and foremost write code. Write as much as you can. Tackle hard problems. If you want to be a really good programmer you need to get into the guts of what you are doing. Spend a lot of time in debuggers looking at how things work. If you want to be a good programmer who really understands what is going on you need to get down to the metal and write highly async code, learn about how processors work and why SSE is so awesome. Understand threading primitives and be able to write them as well as describe what is actually happening in the processor. I could keep going here but you get the idea.
Second find someone who knows a lot more than you and learn. This relationship will work better if you are already deeply immersed in writing lots of code.
Third, spend some time in a large high quality open source code base. I learned a ton from the Quake I and Quake II code. Helped me be a better programmer.
Fourth take on hard problems. Push your limits. Build things that you thought were impossible. Right now I am writing a specialized compiler. I have learned so much just working on this for the last couple of months.
Sure, strictly speaking, the more you practice programming, the better you become at solving those sorts of problems. But is that what you really want?
Programming is a human activity more than a technological one, at its heart. It's easy to improve your computer skills, not so hard to improve your interpersonal skills.
Read "Journey of the Software Professional" by Hohmann. One of the concepts the concepts Hohmann describes is the "cognitive library," which includes both programming skills and non-programming skills. Expand your cognitive library, and your programming skill will improve too.
Read a lot of non-programming books too, and observe the world around you. Creating useful metaphors is an essential skill for the successful programmer. Why do restaurants do things how they do? What trade-offs is the garbage department making when they pick up the garbage every few days instead of every day? How does scaling affect how a grocery store does business? Be an inquisitive human to be a better programmer.
For me, there has to be a reason to learn something new... that is, unless I have a project in mind or some problem I need to solve, there's no hope. If that prerequisite is met, then I usually try to get "Hello, world" working, and after that the sky's the limit. So much of development these days is just learning new APIs. Occasionally there's some kind of paradigm shift that blows your mind, but that's not as common as people like to think, IMHO.
Find a program that intrigues you, one that solves a problem, or one that would simplify many of your tasks. Try to write something similar. You'll get up to speed very quickly and have fun doing it at the same time.
You can try learning one thing really well and then expanding out to programming areas that are associated with the things that you have learnt, so that you can offer complete solutions to customers.
At the same time, devote part of your time to explore things outside your comfort zone.
One you have learned something, try to learn something a little harder. Read and practice a lot about things that seem confusing at first time (lambda functins, threading, array manipulation, etc). It will take its time, but once you have practiced enough, what seemed confusing at first, will be familiar and easy.
In addition to the rest of the great advice already given here, don't be afraid to read about coding and good practice, but also take everything with a grain of salt and see what works best for you. A lot of advice is opinion.
Good sites to read:
-thedailywtf.com
-joelonsoftware.com
-codinghorror.com
-blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing
A great place to get practice is programming competition websites. Those will help you learn how to write good algorithms, not necessarily maintainable code, but they're still a good place to start for learning.
The one I used to use (back when I had time) was:
http://uva.onlinejudge.org/
Learn more than one language. One at a time, definitely, but ultimately you should be fluent in a couple. This will give you a better perspective I think, and help you to become an expert at programming, rather than being an expert at a certain language.
Learn the ins and outs of computers at all levels, hardware, os, etc. Ideally you should be able to build your own system, install multiple operating systems on it, and diagnose just about every problem that can arise. I know many programmers who are not "computer tech people" and their failure to understand what is happening at every level becomes a major hindrance in diagnosing and fixing unusual bugs or performance issues.
As well as looking at 'last weeks code', talk to users of your work after delivery - be one yourself if possible.
Its not my bag, but some of the best coders I know have spent time supporting applications. The experience improved their product I'm sure.
eat breath dream the programming language your using (no seriously, it helps)
There are two kinds of learning -
1. Informal (like how you learned how to function in society- through interaction with peers and family)
2. Formal (like your high school training- through planned instruction)
If you want an entry-level programming job, formal training via an undergrad Computer Science/Engineering degree is the way to go. However, if you want to become a rock-star developer, it is best done by informal training- make unintentional mistakes and have senior developers curse at you, learn a design pattern because an app you are updating uses it, almost cry because a bad developer wrote a huge messy program lacking documentation and best practices and now you have to do several updates to it ASAP; thing of these nature.
It is hard for anyone to give you a list of all you need to know. It varies per area (e.g. a web developer vs. to a desktop developer) and it varies per company (e.g. Microsoft that sells software vs. General Motors that mainly just use it in their cars.) Informal traiing and being engaged in trying to learn to do your job better and get promoted is your best bet in my opinion.
To prove my point, everyone here has great answers but they all differ. Ask a rock-star developer how he learned something or when, why; they may not know- things just happen.
Practice, individually and collectively
Keep an open mind, always learn new things, don't limit yourself to what's familiar. Not solely from a tech perspective, ui design, people skills, ... Don't be afraid of what's new
Peer review, talk to people about your code, let people talk to you about their code, everyone has a unique way of looking at a problem and you will learn a great deal from peers
Love coding. If you love what you're doing, putting in alot of time seems effortless. Every coder needs the drive!
One small addition to these good answers. When I work on someone else's code, usually I pick up something new. If you have the opportunity to work with someone else that is of equal or greater skill, noticing their programming style can teach you tons.
For example, in C++ & Javascript I no longer use if() statements without braces. The reason is that it's just too easy to mistakenly put:
while (true) {
if (a > b)
print a
print b
}
This is an obvious typo, but very easy to introduce, especially if you're editing existing code. I just call it defensive programming in my mind, but little tricks like this are valuable at making you better.
So, find a peer or mentor, and work on their code.
I am not sure if the OP was looking for general advice on how to be a good programmer, but rather something more specific.
I know I am reviving this thread, but I found it because I was trying to see if anyone asked this question already.
What I had in mind was, can we come up with a "knowledge-map" of programming concepts similar to the map that Khan Academy uses.
As a programmer, I want to be able to visualize the dependencies and relationships between different ideas, so that I can understand what skill level I am currently at; what I need to know before tackling a challenging subject; and be able to visualize my progress.
The very belief in the roadmap's existence blocks the road to perfection.
The title may seem slightly self-contradictory, and I accept that you can't really learn a language quickly. However, an experienced programmer that already has knowledge of a few languagues and different styles (functional, OO, imperative etc.) often wants to get started quickly. I've seen a few websites doing effective "translations" in the form of "just show me syntax equivalence". I can't remember the sites now, but for related languages (e.g. Perl/PHP) it's quite common.
Is there a better resource that covers more languages? Is there a resource that covers idioms as well as syntax? I think this would be incredibly useful for doing small amounts of work on existing code bases where you are not familiar with the language. Looking at the existing code, as we know, is not always a good indicator of quality. Likewise, for "learn by doing" weekend project I always have the urge to write reasonably idiomatic, clean code from the start. Such a resource could also link to known good example projects of varying sizes for those that prefer to learn by reading. Reading a well-written medium sized code base can also be much more practical when access to development environments might be limited.
I think it's possible to find tutorials and summaries for individual languages that provide some of this functionality in disparate web locations but I'm hoping there is a good, centralised, comparative place that the busy programmer can turn to.
You generally have two main things to overcome:
Syntax
Reference
Syntax you can pick up fairly quickly with a language tutorial and a stack of samplecode.
Reference (library/API calls) you need to find a proper guide to; perhaps the language reference, or perhaps google...
With those two in place, following a walkthrough (to get you used to using the development environment) will have you pretty much ready - you'll be able to look up what you want to say (reference), and know how to say it (syntax).
This, of course, applies principally to procedural/oop languages; languages that require a paradigm switch (ML/Haskell) you should go to lectures for ;)
(and for the weirder moments, there's SO!)
In the past my favour was "learning by doing". So e.g. I know a little bit of C++ and a lot of C#.Net but I must write a FTP Tool in Python.
So I sit for an hour and so the syntax differences by a tutorial, than I develop the form itself and look at the generated code. Then I search a open source Python FTP Client and get pieces of code (Not copy and paste, write it self to see, feel and remember the code!)
After a few hours I get it.
So: The mix is the best. A book, a piece of good code, the willing to learn and a free night with much coffee.
At the risk of sounding cheesy, I would start with the language's website tutorial and/or FAQ, followed by asking more specific questions here. SO is my centralized location for programming knowledge.
I remember when I learned Perl. I was asked to modify some Perl code at work and I'd never seen the language before. I had experience with several other languages, however, so it wasn't hard to figure out the syntax with the online Perl docs in one window and the code in another, side-by-side. I don't know that solely reading existing code is necessarily the best way to learn. In my case, I didn't know Perl but I could tell that the person who originally wrote the code didn't know Perl either. I'm not sure I could've distinguished between good Perl and really confusing Perl. It would've been nice to be able to ask questions here at the time.
Language isn't important. What is important is learning your ways around designing algorithms and the proper application of design patterns. Focus on the technique, not the language that implements a certain technique. Once you understand the proper development techniques, any programming language will just become real easy, no matter how obscure they are...
When you put a focus on a language, you're restricting your own knowledge.
http://devcheatsheet.com/ seems to be a step in the right direction: it aggregates cheat sheets/quick references and they are (somewhat) manually reviewed. It's also wide-ranging. It still comes up short a bit in terms of "idiomatic" quick reference: for example, the page on Ruby doesn't mention yield.
Rosetta Code appears to be an excellent resource that includes hints on coding idiomatically and moves from simple (like for-loops) to things like drawing. I haven't checked out how comprehensive it is, but there are a large number of languages and tasks listed. The drawbacks re: original question are:
Some of the linking is not accurate
(navigating Python->ForLoop will
take you to the top of the ForLoop
page, not the Python section). It's a
wiki, this can be improved.
Ideally you could "slice" the wiki
however you chose to see e.g. the top
20 tasks for two languages
side-by-side.
http://hyperpolyglot.org/ seems to be an almost perfect match for what I was looking for. The quality is not always there, or idiom can be lacking, but it has the same intention and is pretty comprehensive.
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A friend of mine asked me the other day if I'm just looking at lists of numbers when I'm programming, or how it works. I tried to explain that it's generally more like math formulae, with the odd english word tossed in, and that it's generally mostly readable. But that's a very vague explanation, and it doesn't really explain much to a non-programmer.
But it got me to thinking about what would make a good example. Not because I want to teach her programming or anything, but simply to give her an idea of what program code "looks like".
And that got me to wonder about what would actually work as a good example. And that's turning out to be surprisingly difficult.
My first thought was obviously a simple "Hello World" program. But it really doesn't show anything useful. It doesn't really show how we use functions, or variables, or control flow structures like if or while to make a program that actually does something. There's no logic to it. The program doesn't react to anything.
So perhaps something like computing prime numbers would be a better example. But then again, that might be too theoretical and impractical... (What good is that? What does it have to do with writing "real" programs?) And again, there's no significant control flow logic in it. It's just a straight sequence of maths.
And also, which language should be used?
Ideally, I don't think it has to be a very "clean" language. But rather, it should probably make the structure clear. If it does that, then a certain amount of noise and clutter might be fine. Perhaps something like C++ would actually be a better example than Python for that reason. The explicit curly braces and type specifiers are obvious "hooks" to help explain how the program is structured, or to highlight that it's not just simple statements that can almost be read out as english.
But with C++ we also get into some downright weird syntax. Why is std::cout << x used to print out x? Why not a "normal" function call syntax? And printf isn't much better, with its arcane format string, and lack of extensibility (do I want to complicate the program by using char* for strings? Or do I use std::string and settle for calling the seemingly unnecessary s.c_str() to get a string that can be printed with printf?
Perhaps a higher level language would be better after all. But which one? And why?
I know there are plenty of similar questions here about which language/example program to use to teach programming. But I think the requirements here are different. When teaching programming, we want simplicity more than anything. We want to avoid anything that hasn't been taught yet. We want to make sure that the student can understand everything on the screen.
I'm not interested in simplicity per se. But rather in giving an "outsider" an idea of "what a program looks like". And programs aren't simple. But they do generally exhibit a certain structure and method to the madness. What language/program would best highlight that?
Edit
Thanks for all the suggestions so far. Some of you have had a somewhat different angle on it than I'd intended.
Perhaps an example is in order. I can't fly an airplane, but I've got a basic understanding of what the cockpit looks like, and what a pilot "does" while flying.
And I'm not a trained carpenter, but I know a saw or a hammer when I see one.
But when you see anything to do with programming in movies, for example, it's usually just screens filled with garbage (as in the green text in the Matrix). It doesn't look like something a normal human being can actually do. There's nothing recognizable in it. Someone who isn't a programmer simply thinks it's black magic.
I don't want to teach her to fly, or to program software.
But I'd like to give her a basic frame of reference. Just an idea of "ah, so that's what you're working with. So it's not just random symbols and numbers on the screen". Even just showing a simple if-statement would be a revelation compared to the Matrix-style random symbols and numbers.
Some of you have suggested explaining an algorithm, or using pseudocode, but that's what I want to avoid. I'd like something that simply shows what actual code looks like, in the same way that you don't have to be a carpenter to look at a saw and get a basic idea of what it is and how it works.
When I was a kid, we once went on vacation in Italy. On the way down, the pilot let me into the cockpit of the plane. Of course, I didn't learn how to fly the plane. But I did get a peek into the pilot's world. I got an idea of how they make the plane go, what the pilot actually does.
That's really all I want to do. My friend has no interest in learning programming, and I don't want to force her to understand source code. But she was curious about what kind of tools or entities I work with. Is it Matrix-style symbols scrolling across the screen? Pure mathematics? English in prose form?
All I'm interested in conveying is that very high-level understanding of "What does it look like when I work".
BASIC
10 PRINT "Sara is the best"
20 GOTO 10
Update: when I was 12, my cousin (he was 14) brought Turbo Pascal 7.0 and installed it in my computer.
He programmed a tic tac toe game from scratch (in BGI mode, for those who know).
I watched/observed step by step how a program evolves until it becomes a complete application.
Until then, I knew only how to print strings in BASIC :-B
You can do a similar thing. Pair programming. Well, actually your friend will be an observer but she'll get an idea ;)
Why not consider a language that doesn't exist (or does, if you so believe) and use Pseudo Code? I think, depending upon what you want to achieve - I'd consider the example of task familiar to the person, but carved up into a pseudo code example.
I generally find the idea of "cooking" or "recipes" to be a great fit when explaining things to non-programmers.
I ask the person to imagine they had a recipe that was fairly complex - e.g. a curry & rice dish. I then suggest that they should try and write it down for someone who has absolutely no idea what they are doing, so that they can cook it.
There is a very definite few stages involved:
Gather the ingredients and tools for the job.
Prepare the ingredients. This is complex. e.g.
get 3 Small Red Peppers.
for each red pepper you have, chop it into chunks about 1cm square.
place the red pepper chunks into a bowl for later.
Seperately to this, call the prepare rice function and have this working asynchronously in the background while you continue on with the cooking.
I'm sure you can see where this is going... ;)
There are a lot of similarities with Cooking and Programming (as there are with many things, but more people have an understanding of cooking than of building a house).
There stages / similarities (as I see it) are:
Gathering: (declaration of what is required to achieve the goal and getting them together).
Preperation: Chopping the ingredients or readying the data connection objects etc for first use.
Asynchronous: The ability to have one thing going while another thing going.
Functions: The rice making, the chicken cooking and the curry cooking all require separate processes and only at the end can you have the makeCurry(chickenMeat, rice) function.
Testing: Ensure that as you are going along, you aren't missing any bits and that everything is going smoothly - e.g. ensuring chicken is cooked before you move to the next stage.
Garbage: Once you've done, you must ensure that you tidy up. ;)
Principals of Best Practice: There are efficient ways of doing things that like cooking, beginning programmers have to learn in addition to the code - sometimes it can be hard to get your head around. e.g. D.R.Y, how to chop efficiently with a knife & don't eat raw chicken ;)
Basically, I think for teaching programming as a general topic - I wouldn't necessarily teach from a language unless you had a compelling reason to do so. Instead, teach initially from the abstract until they understand at least the fundamentals of how things might fall together. Then they may find it easier when sat in front of a monitor and keyboard.
I think there may not be one "right answer" for this one. But I think maybe a few really good ideas you could maybe take bits from all of.
I would explain that programming is giving detailed instructions so the computer can make complex tasks.
How to make two cups of coffee?
Fill the kettle
Boil water
Coffee in cup
Pour on water
Add sugar
Add milk
Do 3 to 6 again
To answer your question directly - what programming “looks like”, I'd show them a print out of a large application. Toy apps or cute things like qsort in haskell really give the wrong idea.
It looks a bit like this. Sometimes.
Maybe everyone is concentrating too much on the code rather than tools. Possibly it's best to show her a project in an IDE, and how it includes various source files and maybe some diagrammatic things like a database schema or a visual user interface designer too. Visual Studio, Eclipse or Xcode are quite far away from most people's mental image of rapidly scrolling glowing green symbols on a black background.
I think you should download some big win32 application, written in AT&T assembly language, and show it to her in notepad, and tell her, "As you can see, it takes a superhuman like myself to program."
Code something that has any comprehensible value to a non-programmer. If I'd demonstrate Quicksort to my mother, it wouldn't be of any use.
Ask the person about his interests. If he/she's into stock exchange for example, hack together a script that reads some stock statistics from a appropriate web page and compiles them into an excel sheet (use csv, to avoid heavy brain-damage ^^) or maybe into a nice graph.
If the person uses Twitter, code something that counts the followers of his followers or something like that.
These tasks are simple enough to be done in a very short time and they already utilize a lot of the basic tools that we programmers use, like loops, libraries (for all the http stuff involved), maybe recursion.
After you're finished or while you're coding (even better), you can explain how your program does its magic.
Just keep it simple and talk in human language. If you show them megabytes of code and talk about things like prototypal inheritance, you just intimidate them and they will lose interest immediately.
To give my wife an idea of what I do to bring in a paycheck (It's real work! I promise! we don't just browse the web all day!) I sat down with her one evening with Python and showed her a couple of the basic concepts: calling a function (print), assigning and reading a variable, and how an if statement works. Since she's a teacher, I likened the concept of conditionals to working with preschoolers :)
IF you hit Jonny THEN you're in time out OTHERWISE you can have a snack.
After reviewing a couple of the very high level concepts, I then showed her the code to a simple number guessing game and let her play it while looking though the code.
# Guessing Game
import random
print("Guess a number between 1 and 100: ")
target = random.randint(1, 100)
guess = 0
guess_count = 1
while guess != target:
guess_count += 1
guess = int(input())
if guess == target:
print("Correct!")
if guess < target:
print("Higher...")
if guess > target:
print("Lower...")
print("Congratulations! You guessed the number in " + str(guess_count) + " guesses!")
Aside from the somewhat abstract concept of "import", this is a very straightforward example that is easy to follow and "connect" to what's happening on the screen, not to mention it actually does something interesting and interactive. I think my wife walked away from the experience a little less mystified by the whole concept without really needing to know much in the way of code.
I think the key is being able to have someone see the code AND it's end result side by side.
There was a CLI graphics package called LOGO, and best known for Turtle Graphics, used to draw shapes on screen using commands like LT 90, RT 105 etc. See if you can find that, it would be a nice experience to try and draw something of medium complexity.
LOGO - Logic Oriented Graphic Oriented programming language.
REPEAT 360 [FD 1 RT 1] -- draws a circle, etc.
See more at logothings or Wikipedia which also has links to modern logo interpreters.
The computer programmer writes programs.
While not programming, the computer programmer annoys attractive women in his workplace.
Then:
(source: markharrison.net)
Now:
When my 5 y.o. daughter asked me the question I made her "develop" the program for a little arrow "robot" that will get him into the upper-left-corner of the board using flowchart-like pieces of paper signifying moves, turns and conditions. I think it applies to grown-ups as well.
I do not claim the invention of this answer, though.
About your edit: I'm afraid, programmers have even less idea of the idea others have about programming. ;-) People think that programming is a matrix-like green video card corruption about as much as they think that spies are all equipped with James Bond's hi tech toys. And any professional in any field is normally irritated when watching the movie concerning his job. Because the movie maker has no idea! Do we know how to properly depict programming in the movie on the other hand? ;-)
I've found that the best approach to "teach someone what programming is without teaching them programming" is actually to just drop anything related to a specific programming language.
Instead (assuming they're actually interested), I would talk them through implementing a function in a program, like a simple bank loan application (most people have had to deal with loans at some stage, if they're above a certain age), and then poking holes in all the assumptions.
Like, what should happen if the user types in a negative loan amount? What if the user cannot afford the loan? How would the loan application know that? How would the loan application know which bank account to check and which payment history to check (ie. who is the user actually)? What if the user tries to type in his name in the loan amount field? What if the user tries to take the loan over 75 years? Should we limit the choices to a list of available lengths?
And then in the end: Programming is taking all of those rules, and writing them in a language that the computer understands, so that it follows those rules to the letter. At this point, if it is felt necessary, I would pull out some simple code so that the overall language can be looked at, and then perhaps written out one of the rules in that language.
Bonus points if you can get your friend to then react with: But what if we forgot something? Well, then we have bugs, and now you know why no software program is bugfree too :)
Definitively something either with graphics, or windows, in a higher level language.
Why? A non-programmer is usually a non-matematician too, that's why he won't get the beauty of sorting. However showing something drawn on a screen ("look, a window!", "look, so little typing and we have a 3D box rotating!") can work wonders ;).
What does it look like when you work?
It looks like typing.
Seriously though, programming is kind of like if Legos were text, and to build a big Lego house, you had to type a lot of text in, just right, hooking up the right pegs with the right holes. So that is how I generally describe it.
It's really hard to understand what programming is like just from a source code example, because it is so abstract.
There is nothing wrong with starting on hello world, as long as you can show what the computer actually does with it. You can then introduce one construct at a time. That's what programming is like- Making incremental changes, and seeing the results.
So you have a hello world program. Now change it to
string Name = getLine();
printf("Hello, %s", name);
then the if construct
printf("Do you like cake?");
string answer = getLine();
if(answer == "yes") {
printf("Yeay! I like cake too!");
} else if(answer == "no") {
printf("Filthy cake hating pig!");
}
then demonstrate that the last program fails when it recieves an answer other than either "yes" or "no", and how you would go about fixing it....
and so on. I don't think you need to go into deep concepts like recursion, or even functions really.
It doesn't really matter what programming you use for this, as long as you're able to show, on a computer, the result of these different programs. (though these psuedocode examples are probably pretty close to being valid python)
Robotics is great for explaining programming, I think, because even simple, contrived examples are practical. The robotics equivalent of Hello World or printing a list of numbers might be having the robot move in a line or spin in a circle. It's easy for a non-programmer to understand that for a robot to do ANYTHING useful it must first move and position itself. This lets you explain simple program structure and flow control.
You want the robot to move forward, but only while there is nothing blocking its path. Then you want it to turn and move again. That's a simple routine using basic flow control, and the functions that you're calling are pretty easy to understand (if your platform has decent abstractions anyway).
Graphics might also work. Anything that has immediate results. jQuery even, because everyone is familiar with rotating pictures and web animations. Even contrived examples like pushing elements around in the DOM has an easy to see effect, and most people will understand what and why the statements in the program do.
Things like Robocode and LOGO are probably really good for this.
(source: wikimedia.org)
{
wait for 6/8;
play F (5), sustain it for 1/4 and a half;
play E flat (5), sustain it for 1/8;
play D flat (5), sustain it for 1/8 and a half;
play F (4), sustain it for 1/16;
// ...
}
Perhaps a metaphor could be that of a composer writing a musical score. The job of a composer is the intellectual activity of creating music. With a score, the composer is telling the pianist what to play, and he does it by means of precise instructions (notes, pauses and so on). If the "instructions" are not precise enough, the pianist will play something different.
The job of a software developer is the intellectual activity of solving problems (problems that have to do with automated processing of data). With source code, the developer is telling the computer what to do, and he does it by means of precise instructions. If the instructions are not precise enough, the computer will do something different and will not solve the problem correctly.
I would just write something in pseudocode that demonstrates how to use a computer to solve an everyday problem. Perhaps determining which store is cheaper to buy a particular grocery list from or some such.
Why not just show the timelapse video A Day in the Life of a Scrum Team?
A programmer writes instructions for the computer to perform.
Running the program results in the computer actually following those instructions.
An example is a cook will follow a recipe in order to bake a loaf of bread. (even if it's in their head)... that's programming. Unlike my wife, the computer follows the recipe exactly every time. My wife, does it in her head and it turns out different but delicious every time ;-)
If you want to go ahead and teach this in more detail then pseudo-code is easy to understand.
e.g.
IF today's date is the 1st of may then
print to screen "Happy Birthday"
ELSE
print to screen "It's not your birthday yet"
The beauty of psuedo code is nearly anyone can understand it and this is the point of it.
Want to show her what programming looks like? Just pop a terminal and
find /
Surprised this is still open, and surprised no one has already given this answer. (I think. I might have accidentally skipped one of the 40 questions that no one is going to read anyway.)
Your answer is in your question
When I was a kid, we once went on vacation in Italy. On the way down,
the pilot let me into the cockpit of the plane. Of course, I didn't
learn how to fly the plane. But I did get a peek into the pilot's
world. I got an idea of how they make the plane go, what the pilot
actually does.
That's really all I want to do.
That's all you have to do. Pick a short exercise out of a tutorial. A moderately longer GUI one could also be beneficial due to the added visuals. (Games might be pushing the length a bit.) And let her watch you code. That's it. It's the same as your pilot example.
Also there are a number of online REPLs that will make watching you code even more immediate.
I say show him bubble sort.
It's an easy, understandable trick, converted to a formal language.
That's what our job is about. Expressing our ideas in a strict, formal language, such that even a machine can understand. A little similar to designing procedures for organizational design.
Code up something quick that reads stock quotes and writes them to an excel spreadsheet. This is easy enough to do with a few minutes and impresses non technical types very quickly as they see the practical value of it.
My usual choice is to retrieve a set of customer records from a database. Using C# and LINQ in Visual Studio, it takes maybe 10 minutes at most to build a web page and dump out the "Northwind" database customers into a grid. The nice thing is that a "list of customers" is something that almost anybody can understand.
Totally depends on the level of her interest (or your level of interest in her). Most people ask that question as idle conversation, and don't really want to know.
Programming is more than algorithms (like "How to make a cup of coffee), it's also fundamentally rooted in mathematics. Most people will be quickly tripped up by the subtle use of mathematical terms (what's a "function"?).
In order to really teach programming, it may help to think back to your own first programming experiences, your first programming teacher, your first programming language. How did you learn? when you were learning, what skills did you already have fresh in your mind (i.e., calculus)? What motivated you to want to understand what a variable is or why there are three different kinds of loops?
Language-wise: Use something like python. Really high level, non-curly-bracket probably better.
Alice which was developed at Carnegie Mellon.
Alice is an innovative 3D programming environment that makes it easy to create an animation for telling a story, playing an interactive game, or a video to share on the web. Alice is a teaching tool for introductory computing. It uses 3D graphics and a drag-and-drop interface to facilitate a more engaging, less frustrating first programming experience.
In pseudo-code:
function dealWithPerson(person){
if(ILike(person)){
getCookie().giveTo(person);
}
else{
person.tell("You shall receive no cookies!");
}
}
dealWithPerson(Person.fromName("Nick"));
dealWithPerson(Person.fromName("John"));
This demonstrates the concept of functions, object-orientation and strings, in a C-like syntax(when I say C-like syntax I refer to the weird characters).
It also shows how code can be reused.
Note that although it is pseudo-code, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some language that accepted this syntax(perhaps JavaScript allows this?).
You could also adapt this example to have loops.
Hope this helps show that person how a program looks like(since it is a realistic syntax and it is relatively easy to understand).
I have been teaching programming for many years and found out that the number of ways you need to explain things is equal to the number of students you have. But one method that works most of the time is as follows:
Present a flow chart that shown the flow of logic of a simple application
Write the instructions in full human language (e.g. English)
Abbreviate each instruction to the short-hand used in the programming language
Choose a less cryptic language like Basic or Pascal for teaching purposes
All code is simply shorthand for natural language. Written in full English most programs seem trivial.
As for a good algorithm, that is another story. It is sad to see many Computer Science courses no longer teach algorithms or brush over it.
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As stated, have you any tips to help grok / understand / get-your-head-around declarative programming languages?
Or is it simply a case that you’ve to immerse yourself in the language and it’s syntax, until it seeps in, until you get that golden moment where you Get It. This isn’t really an option as I can no longer lock myself in a room for days on end, poring over half a dozen different books on the subject matter (responsibilities being what they are and all)
So, any tips or tricks that helped you when you tackled declarative languages, any insights to pass on?
P.S. I’ll personally upvote the first answer that says “Shutup and put in the work”.
Background
I was 13 years old I when I first started wring code (basic, on my sisters Oric-1).
Since then I’ve worked with many new concepts and many different languages, taking all in my stride, me taking the upper hand quickly enough. Object Orientation? Not a bother. Event driven paradigms? Smoke me a kipper, I’ll be back for breakfast.
Owl, Mfc, ActiveX, Vb3, 4, 5 & 6, VB.Net, Pascal, Delphi, C, C++ & C#. None have stood in my way, at least not for very long.
However recently my perfect score has taken a bit of a battering.
A couple of weeks ago I threw myself into Xaml, and folks, I’m more sinking than swimming.
I think my main problem is that it’s declarative. All my other programming skills are procedural. I’ve hit this block before with MSBuild, I can copy examples of how to get MSBuild things working, but would be lost putting something together from scratch.
Back to Xaml, currently I’m going insane trying to wire triggers to properties and get the effect’s I need.
I may post my specific Xaml question here soon enough. For now I’m asking this general “declarative programming” question.
P.S. No, I'm not actually this cocky. Yes, I stumbled like hell the first time I hit OO and the first time I'd to write an event driven UI (VB3 on Windows 3.11).
Edit
It's starting to sink in, the tenacity that got me this far in this field is paying off, it just takes so much fracking time!
. . . I think I'm getting too old for this stuff . . . :)
I had to teach XSL (or XSLT, as you wish) a bunch at the beginning of the century :), and it's a different world, really. That, however, is the basis for the paradigm-shift: you have to realize that declarative languages really are different. The most important advice I have is to keep studying other people's solutions, put the work in, and really try to stop thinking in FLOW. The worst thing is that, in XSL, there is an "if" and an "else," but usually there's another way to do things.
Unlike learning OO, in XSL (or any declarative language, I suppose) you will not manage to do what you're trying to do unless you do it declaratively.
So the answer is in part, "shut up and do the work" as you suggest, but the more important point is to realize that a lot of the work is getting your head around the paradigm shift. So the real answer is, "keep your eyes peeled for the paradigm shift." You have to stop thinking in flow and start thinking in terms of rules that can fire in any order... if they're done right, it doesn't matter when they fire. When you are finally thinking in rules instead of WHEN stuff happens, you're beginning to grok the shift.
Find some examples, with explanations of the "why", from someone who really knows the language. It's learning the patterns and idioms that makes a difference.
I suspect you're trying to do imperative things in declarative land, which means you think in terms of steps. Write the dataflow down in terms of required inputs + stateless function of those inputs and see if that helps.
Try a functional or functionalesqe language like ML or Scheme.
I don't know what your specific problems with Xaml are (and I haven't used it myself) , but I've found that when using XML based technologies like XSLT, a little LISP or Scheme experience can go a long way. You might want to look at playing with the excellent scheme system available free from http://www.plt-scheme.org.
I can see where this may be blowing your mind. All those languages you list are indeed quite similar (procedural).
Once you get this down, I highly encourage you to learn a functional language as well. You may also find it tough going, but learning it will help your general coding skills greatly. You'll have a whole new bag of tricks (even in procedural languages), and you will never be afraid of recursion again.
Consider your favorite “programmer ignorance” pet peeve. The first code snippet is obviously procedural. In the second snippet you make a declarative statement that for the percentage to be valid it has to be between 0 and 100.
So i'd guess you'll have no trouble grokking declarative programming languages as long as you work on it hard enough... there is no royal road to geometry
Like Binary Worrier, I had a long history with things like C, C++, MFC, etc and have been coming up to speed on XAML, WPF, and C#. I had a side trip through HTML, Javascript, and XSLT which I think helped a great deal in preparing me for XAML.
The basic idea behind XAML is fairly straightforward - it's all about what you show, not what you do. The hard part with XAML is that there is just a ton of implementation details to learn and you wind up learning them all at the same time in order to be able to get much of anything done.
I could probably be more helpful if the question was more specific.
"Programming is about giving a computer a sequence of instructions."
Most programmers react with equanimity to this statement. It's almost like... "duh?"
But the belief in this statement is what causes people to have trouble understanding other programming paradigms. It's not true, and hasn't been for a very long time. To arrive at a better understanding of programming, many may benefit from thinking on why this statement is false.
Even if you programmed in pure assembly, modern processors would rearrange your instructions, perform branch prediction, and attempt to execute multiple potentially codependent instructions at the same time. In this way they think in terms of logical dependencies, not sequences. The sequence metaphor is the false notion that an instruction logically depends on everything that preceded it. If this were true, the best way to reason about programs would be to examine the control flow. But it is not true.
It's not just declarative programming that doesn't fit with this metaphor, but also parallel and asynchronous programming.
I find the easiest way to "grok" a language is simply to start using it exclusively for all your coding. With a completely new language I would say for me the learning curve is approximately 2 weeks of coding about 4-5 hours a day. After that point it suddenly "clicks" and you can start relying less on manuals and docs.
I took a class in college (Programming Languages). It pretty much felt like I was repeatedly slamming my head against a brick wall, but about 3/4 of the way through the class, I realized the wall wasn't there anymore; I had been beating my head against nothing for a few weeks. It was a pretty surreal feeling.
I think any other way won't have the same charm. Read Godel, Escher, Bach; listen to a lot of Emerson, Lake, and Palmer and Kaikhosru Sorabji; smoke some ganja, and put in the time.