There is nothing in the way the program uses this data which will cause the program to crash if it reads the old value rather than the new value. It will get the new value at some point.
However, I am wondering if reading and writing at the same time from multiple threads can cause problems for the OS?
I am yet to see them if it does. The program is developed in Linux using pthreads.
I am not interested in being told how to use mutexs/semaphores/locks/etc edit: so my program is only getting the new values, that is not what I'm asking.
No.. the OS should not have any problem. The tipical problem is the that you dont want to read the old values or a value that is half way updated, and thus not valid (and may crash your app or if the next value depends on the former, then you can get a corrupted value and keep generating wrong values all the itme), but if you dont care about that, the OS wont either.
Are the kernel/drivers reading that data for any reason (eg. it contains structures passed in to kernel APIs)? If no, then there isn't any issue with it, since the OS will never ever look at your hot memory.
Your own reads must ensure they are consistent so you don't read half of a value pre-update and half post-update and end up with a value that is neither pre neither post update.
There is no danger for the OS. Only your program's data integrity is at risk.
Imagine you data to consist of a set (structure) of values, which cannot be updated in an atomic operation. The reading thread is bound to read inconsistent data at some point (data consisting of a mixture of old and new values). But you did not want to hear about mutexes...
Problems arise when multiple threads share access to data when accessing that data is not atomic. For example, imagine a struct with 10 interdependent fields. If one thread is writing and one is reading, the reading thread is likely to see a struct that is halfway between one state and another (for example, half of it's members have been set).
If on the other hand the data can be read and written to with a single atomic operation, you will be fine. For example, imagine if there is a global variable that contains a count... One thread is incrementing it on some condition, and another is reading it and taking some action... In this case, there is really no intermediate inconsistent state. It's either got the new value, or it has the old value.
Logically, you can think of locking as a tool that lets you make arbitrary blocks of code atomic, at least as far as the other threads of execution are concerned.
Related
I'm curious about TCP/IP(multi threads), one program did change the var and can another program cognize the change of var while in loop?
The reason why I'm curious is I am making a simple game and it has a lobby to wait for another player to come in, but in the same client. I think there is no way of waiting for another player.
I made while(ready = 0) loop and when one client enters the room changing the var(ready) = 1 so I send it to the server, but roommaker client couldn't break the loop....
Here is my code:
while(1){
recv(socket,a,sizeof(a),0);
ready = atoi(ready);
if(ready = 1){
break;
}
}
Why does it happen?
The question (if I understand it correctly) is asking if, when thread A sets a variable to a new value, if thread B will "see" the variable's value change.
The short answer is "possibly, but you shouldn't depend on it, because having threads share read/write access to a value like that is undefined behavior and it often won't behave the way you want it to". If you are going to share a variable between threads, you need to either guard access (both read and write) to that value with a mutex, or (in C++) use a std::atomic variable instead of a regular int/bool/etc datatype.
The reason why sharing a plain old variable doesn't work reliably is because computers are very sophisticated now -- the compiler will play a lot of clever tricks to make your program's executable code more efficient, and also modern CPUs will play even more clever tricks at run time to make things faster still. However, neither the compiler nor the CPU "knows" that your ready variable is intended to be shared across threads; in fact they will both assume that it won't be, in order to perform optimizations -- such as caching the value of the variable in a CPU register so that the thread doesn't have to re-read it from RAM every time through the loop. When that optimization occurs, thread A can change the value of ready, but that change may or may not make it out to RAM in a timely manner, and even if it does, thread B may or may not notice the change in RAM (i.e. if it has already cached that value in a register, it won't).
So, the advice is: don't share a plain variable like that -- it's a race condition and your program likely won't work the way you intended. For multithreaded programs you have to be very careful to synchronize shared variables, either with mutexes or (in C++) by using std::atomic types (which tell the compiler that the variables are intended to be shared across threads, so that it can take additional steps to make sure the correct things happen when they are read or written).
I'm designing a large-scale project, and I think I see a way I could drastically improve performance by taking advantage of multiple cores. However, I have zero experience with multiprocessing, and I'm a little concerned that my ideas might not be good ones.
Idea
The program is a video game that procedurally generates massive amounts of content. Since there's far too much to generate all at once, the program instead tries to generate what it needs as or slightly before it needs it, and expends a large amount of effort trying to predict what it will need in the near future and how near that future is. The entire program, therefore, is built around a task scheduler, which gets passed function objects with bits of metadata attached to help determine what order they should be processed in and calls them in that order.
Motivation
It seems to be like it ought to be easy to make these functions execute concurrently in their own processes. But looking at the documentation for the multiprocessing modules makes me reconsider- there doesn't seem to be any simple way to share large data structures between threads. I can't help but imagine this is intentional.
Questions
So I suppose the fundamental questions I need to know the answers to are thus:
Is there any practical way to allow multiple threads to access the same list/dict/etc... for both reading and writing at the same time? Can I just launch multiple instances of my star generator, give it access to the dict that holds all the stars, and have new objects appear to just pop into existence in the dict from the perspective of other threads (that is, I wouldn't have to explicitly grab the star from the process that made it; I'd just pull it out of the dict as if the main thread had put it there itself).
If not, is there any practical way to allow multiple threads to read the same data structure at the same time, but feed their resultant data back to a main thread to be rolled into that same data structure safely?
Would this design work even if I ensured that no two concurrent functions tried to access the same data structure at the same time, either for reading or for writing?
Can data structures be inherently shared between processes at all, or do I always explicitly have to send data from one process to another as I would with processes communicating over a TCP stream? I know there are objects that abstract away that sort of thing, but I'm asking if it can be done away with entirely; have the object each thread is looking at actually be the same block of memory.
How flexible are the objects that the modules provide to abstract away the communication between processes? Can I use them as a drop-in replacement for data structures used in existing code and not notice any differences? If I do such a thing, would it cause an unmanageable amount of overhead?
Sorry for my naivete, but I don't have a formal computer science education (at least, not yet) and I've never worked with concurrent systems before. Is the idea I'm trying to implement here even remotely practical, or would any solution that allows me to transparently execute arbitrary functions concurrently cause so much overhead that I'd be better off doing everything in one thread?
Example
For maximum clarity, here's an example of how I imagine the system would work:
The UI module has been instructed by the player to move the view over to a certain area of space. It informs the content management module of this, and asks it to make sure that all of the stars the player can currently click on are fully generated and ready to be clicked on.
The content management module checks and sees that a couple of the stars the UI is saying the player could potentially try to interact with have not, in fact, had the details that would show upon click generated yet. It produces a number of Task objects containing the methods of those stars that, when called, will generate the necessary data. It also adds some metadata to these task objects, assuming (possibly based on further information collected from the UI module) that it will be 0.1 seconds before the player tries to click anything, and that stars whose icons are closest to the cursor have the greatest chance of being clicked on and should therefore be requested for a time slightly sooner than the stars further from the cursor. It then adds these objects to the scheduler queue.
The scheduler quickly sorts its queue by how soon each task needs to be done, then pops the first task object off the queue, makes a new process from the function it contains, and then thinks no more about that process, instead just popping another task off the queue and stuffing it into a process too, then the next one, then the next one...
Meanwhile, the new process executes, stores the data it generates on the star object it is a method of, and terminates when it gets to the return statement.
The UI then registers that the player has indeed clicked on a star now, and looks up the data it needs to display on the star object whose representative sprite has been clicked. If the data is there, it displays it; if it isn't, the UI displays a message asking the player to wait and continues repeatedly trying to access the necessary attributes of the star object until it succeeds.
Even though your problem seems very complicated, there is a very easy solution. You can hide away all the complicated stuff of sharing you objects across processes using a proxy.
The basic idea is that you create some manager that manages all your objects that should be shared across processes. This manager then creates its own process where it waits that some other process instructs it to change the object. But enough said. It looks like this:
import multiprocessing as m
manager = m.Manager()
starsdict = manager.dict()
process = Process(target=yourfunction, args=(starsdict,))
process.run()
The object stored in starsdict is not the real dict. instead it sends all changes and requests, you do with it, to its manager. This is called a "proxy", it has almost exactly the same API as the object it mimics. These proxies are pickleable, so you can pass as arguments to functions in new processes (like shown above) or send them through queues.
You can read more about this in the documentation.
I don't know how proxies react if two processes are accessing them simultaneously. Since they're made for parallelism I guess they should be safe, even though I heard they're not. It would be best if you test this yourself or look for it in the documentation.
Wanting to be sure we're using the correct synchronization (and no more than necessary) when writing threadsafe code in JRuby; specifically, in a Puma instantiated Rails app.
UPDATE: Extensively re-edited this question, to be very clear and use latest code we are implementing. This code uses the atomic gem written by #headius (Charles Nutter) for JRuby, but not sure it is totally necessary, or in which ways it's necessary, for what we're trying to do here.
Here's what we've got, is this overkill (meaning, are we over/uber-engineering this), or perhaps incorrect?
ourgem.rb:
require 'atomic' # gem from #headius
SUPPORTED_SERVICES = %w(serviceABC anotherSvc andSoOnSvc).freeze
module Foo
def self.included(cls)
cls.extend(ClassMethods)
cls.send :__setup
end
module ClassMethods
def get(service_name, method_name, *args)
__cached_client(service_name).send(method_name.to_sym, *args)
# we also capture exceptions here, but leaving those out for brevity
end
private
def __client(service_name)
# obtain and return a client handle for the given service_name
# we definitely want to cache the value returned from this method
# **AND**
# it is a requirement that this method ONLY be called *once PER service_name*.
end
def __cached_client(service_name)
##_clients.value[service_name]
end
def __setup
##_clients = Atomic.new({})
##_clients.update do |current_service|
SUPPORTED_SERVICES.inject(Atomic.new({}).value) do |memo, service_name|
if current_services[service_name]
current_services[service_name]
else
memo.merge({service_name => __client(service_name)})
end
end
end
end
end
end
client.rb:
require 'ourgem'
class GetStuffFromServiceABC
include Foo
def self.get_some_stuff
result = get('serviceABC', 'method_bar', 'arg1', 'arg2', 'arg3')
puts result
end
end
Summary of the above: we have ##_clients (a mutable class variable holding a Hash of clients) which we only want to populate ONCE for all available services, which are keyed on service_name.
Since the hash is in a class variable (and hence threadsafe?), are we guaranteed that the call to __client will not get run more than once per service name (even if Puma is instantiating multiple threads with this class to service all the requests from different users)? If the class variable is threadsafe (in that way), then perhaps the Atomic.new({}) is unnecessary?
Also, should we be using an Atomic.new(ThreadSafe::Hash) instead? Or again, is that not necessary?
If not (meaning: you think we do need the Atomic.news at least, and perhaps also the ThreadSafe::Hash), then why couldn't a second (or third, etc.) thread interrupt between the Atomic.new(nil) and the ##_clients.update do ... meaning the Atomic.news from EACH thread will EACH create two (separate) objects?
Thanks for any thread-safety advice, we don't see any questions on SO that directly address this issue.
Just a friendly piece of advice, before I attempt to tackle the issues you raise here:
This question, and the accompanying code, strongly suggests that you don't (yet) have a solid grasp of the issues involved in writing multi-threaded code. I encourage you to think twice before deciding to write a multi-threaded app for production use. Why do you actually want to use Puma? Is it for performance? Will your app handle many long-running, I/O-bound requests (like uploading/downloading large files) at the same time? Or (like many apps) will it primarily handle short, CPU-bound requests?
If the answer is "short/CPU-bound", then you have little to gain from using Puma. Multiple single-threaded server processes would be better. Memory consumption will be higher, but you will keep your sanity. Writing correct multi-threaded code is devilishly hard, and even experts make mistakes. If your business success, job security, etc. depends on that multi-threaded code working and working right, you are going to cause yourself a lot of unnecessary pain and mental anguish.
That aside, let me try to unravel some of the issues raised in your question. There is so much to say that it's hard to know where to start. You may want to pour yourself a cold or hot beverage of your choice before sitting down to read this treatise:
When you talk about writing "thread-safe" code, you need to be clear about what you mean. In most cases, "thread-safe" code means code which doesn't concurrently modify mutable data in a way which could cause data corruption. (What a mouthful!) That could mean that the code doesn't allow concurrent modification of mutable data at all (using locks), or that it does allow concurrent modification, but makes sure that it doesn't corrupt data (probably using atomic operations and a touch of black magic).
Note that when your threads are only reading data, not modifying it, or when working with shared stateless objects, there is no question of "thread safety".
Another definition of "thread-safe", which probably applies better to your situation, has to do with operations which affect the outside world (basically I/O). You may want some operations to only happen once, or to happen in a specific order. If the code which performs those operations runs on multiple threads, they could happen more times than desired, or in a different order than desired, unless you do something to prevent that.
It appears that your __setup method is only called when ourgem.rb is first loaded. As far as I know, even if multiple threads require the same file at the same time, MRI will only ever let a single thread load the file. I don't know whether JRuby is the same. But in any case, if your source files are being loaded more than once, that is symptomatic of a deeper problem. They should only be loaded once, on a single thread. If your app handles requests on multiple threads, those threads should be started up after the application has loaded, not before. This is the only sane way to do things.
Assuming that everything is sane, ourgem.rb will be loaded using a single thread. That means __setup will only ever be called by a single thread. In that case, there is no question of thread safety at all to worry about (as far as initialization of your "client cache" goes).
Even if __setup was to be called concurrently by multiple threads, your atomic code won't do what you think it does. First of all, you use Atomic.new({}).value. This wraps a Hash in an atomic reference, then unwraps it so you just get back the Hash. It's a no-op. You could just write {} instead.
Second, your Atomic#update call will not prevent the initialization code from running more than once. To understand this, you need to know what Atomic actually does.
Let me pull out the old, tired "increment a shared counter" example. Imagine the following code is running on 2 threads:
i += 1
We all know what can go wrong here. You may end up with the following sequence of events:
Thread A reads i and increments it.
Thread B reads i and increments it.
Thread A writes its incremented value back to i.
Thread B writes its incremented value back to i.
So we lose an update, right? But what if we store the counter value in an atomic reference, and use Atomic#update? Then it would be like this:
Thread A reads i and increments it.
Thread B reads i and increments it.
Thread A tries to write its incremented value back to i, and succeeds.
Thread B tries to write its incremented value back to i, and fails, because the value has already changed.
Thread B reads i again and increments it.
Thread B tries to write its incremented value back to i again, and succeeds this time.
Do you get the idea? Atomic never stops 2 threads from running the same code at the same time. What it does do, is force some threads to retry the #update block when necessary, to avoid lost updates.
If your goal is to ensure that your initialization code will only ever run once, using Atomic is a very inappropriate choice. If anything, it could make it run more times, rather than less (due to retries).
So, that is that. But if you're still with me here, I am actually more concerned about whether your "client" objects are themselves thread-safe. Do they have any mutable state? Since you are caching them, it seems that initializing them must be slow. Be that as it may, if you use locks to make them thread-safe, you may not be gaining anything from caching and sharing them between threads. Your "multi-threaded" server may be reduced to what is effectively an unnecessarily complicated, single-threaded server.
If the client objects have no mutable state, good for you. You can be "free and easy" and share them between threads with no problems. If they do have mutable state, but initializing them is slow, then I would recommend caching one object per thread, so they are never shared. Thread[] is your friend there.
I am using shared variables on perl with use threads::shared.
That variables can we modified only from single thread, all other threads are only 'reading' that variables.
Is it required in the 'reading' threads to lock
{
lock $shared_var;
if ($shared_var > 0) .... ;
}
?
isn't it safe to simple verification without locking (in the 'reading' thread!), like
if ($shared_var > 0) ....
?
Locking is not required to maintain internal integrity when setting or fetching a scalar.
Whether it's needed or not in your particular case depends on the needs of the reader, the other readers and the writers. It rarely makes sense not to lock, but you haven't provided enough details for us to determine what your needs are.
For example, it might not be acceptable to use an old value after the writer has updated the shared variable. For starters, this can lead to a situation where one thread is still using the old value while the another thread is using the new value, a situation that can be undesirable if those two threads interact.
It depends on whether it's meaningful to test the condition just at some point in time or other. The problem however is that in a vast majority of cases, that Boolean test means other things, which might have already changed by the time you're done reading the condition that says it represents a previous state.
Think about it. If it's an insignificant test, then it means little--and you have to question why you are making it. If it's a significant test, then it is telltale of a coherent state that may or may not exist anymore--you won't know for sure, unless you lock it.
A lot of times, say in real-time reporting, you don't really care which snapshot the database hands you, you just want a relatively current one. But, as part of its transaction logic, it keeps a complete picture of how things are prior to a commit. I don't think you're likely to find this in code, where the current state is the current state--and even a state of being in a provisional state is a definite state.
I guess one of the times this can be different is a cyclical access of a queue. If one consumer doesn't get the head record this time around, then one of them will the next time around. You can probably save some processing time, asynchronously accessing the queue counter. But here's a case where it means little in context of just one iteration.
In the case above, you would just want to put some locked-level instructions afterward that expected that the queue might actually be empty even if your test suggested it had data. So, if it is just a preliminary test, you would have to have logic that treated the test as unreliable as it actually is.
I'm using Node and Redis.
If I issue a redis.set() command, is there any chance that whilst that is being set, another read can occur with the old value?
No, you will never have that problem. One of the basic virtues of Redis is that it has a tight event loop which executes the commands, so they are naturally atomic.
This page has more on the topic (see subheading "Atomicity"), and about Redis in general.
Assuming you're talking about two truly concurrent accesses, one write and one read, there is essentially no meaning to this question. If a write is itself atomic and the value is never seen as anything other than the old or new value, then a reader who reads at "about the same time" as a writer may legitimately see either the old or the new value.