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What would be a good choice for a programming language or environment to produce a GUI for Linux?
Looking to create UI like some of the existing Linux administration GUIs, for example some of the administration interfaces in YaST, such as the DNS or firewall GUI, etc. Also looking for ways to improve the user friendliness and functionality, best and worst features, etc., with the suggested language/framework.
Some sort of scripting language would be best IMO. I've done GUI programming in BASIC, Java, C and C++ as well as several scripting languages, and I was more productive by far with a scripting language like Python or Tcl.
python is a very good choice for a GUI language because it has several toolkits you can easily choose between. For example, Tkinter (based on tk) is probably already installed on your system. Two other popular choices are wxPython and PyGTK.
All three of those are roughly equivalent in power. Some are a little simpler to use, some look prettier, some are more stable than others, but any of them would be a fine choice for learning. Once you spend some time with one of them you'll have an idea of what they can or can't do, and that will be a good time to read up on the other toolkits to see if they meet your needs any better.
It's remarkably easy to write a GUI with Tcl/Tk. Some say the GUIs are ugly, but that's subjective and somewhat dependent on how much you pay attention to details and whether or not you use themed (ttk) widgets. And frankly, for personal use, looks don't matter all that much.
As an example, to display "hello world" in a window is just three lines:
package require Tk
ttk::label .l -text "Hello, world"
pack .l
The tk toolkit is available for many languages. For a little more on how it can be used with tcl, ruby, python and perl see http://www.tkdocs.com
Python with PyGTK is a very popular choice, using Glade 3 to construct the actual UI.
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Let's say I want to create FPS game, let's say clone Crysis so everybody understand what type of graphics & performance I'm after. What's the best code to write this game with so it's as easy as possible to port it to all the common platforms? Of course I want the application to feel and be native to the platform. This also means that it should be easy to take advantage of Snow Leopard's new features like OpenCL and Windows 7's new features. I realize that GUI has the written separately for different platforms and that's not a problem.
So my question is that what's the best language for the job. I'm not looking for one-for-all solution but more like language for the core. I guess one way to put it is to say that what's the best language if you need to port the same program to Windows, OS X & Linux? Java is out of the question.
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Have you ever seen the Blues Brothers? In the movie, Jake and Elwood go into a hick bar to do a gig and ask what sort of music they like, to which the woman behind the bar answers:
We have both kinds: country AND
western.
What has this got to do with this question? Well, you want to create high performance 3D graphics and you're asking what language to use?
We have both kinds: C and C++.
You probably want C for your lower level graphics performance, either the variant of C89 that Visual C++ supports, or use MinGW and gcc C99 ( VC++ 2008 doesn't support declarations in for loops in C99 code, which is very annoying, but then they didn't do that right in C++ for years ).
Admittedly, if you're taking GNU with you and running full-screen with your own GUI then it's not really cross platform any more.
You also probably want either Lua or Python or another scripting language which plays well with calling C to give a sensible higher level way of controlling the game.
C++. You can avoid millions of "if #define"'s for platform dependent things and instead use inheritance (derived classes for each platform and client using/knowing the abstract base class). A few exceptions to this can be made for the performance critical parts.
There are also lots of libraries for cross-platform development.
I really recommend using Lua for any scripting. It is an ANSI C library so that means that a: it can be compiled in (at least most) C++ compilers, and: if there's a C compiler for the platform then you can use lua. It allows for significant extension of flexibility of your game and if you want it will let your players customize it too!
Java is probably one of the easiest to learn, personally. Java though doesn't have have that great of a graphical system, it needs more code to support the graphical display if you are coding "GAMES," if you're going to code a website though choose JavaScript, CSS, and HTML/5. Or use only one of these languages normally best to choose two that best fit your comforts... =) For an FPS, I would recommend for beginners to use Java, if you have a good sense in what you want to create and it is a more complex game then use C# or C++, just because it uses less hardware if you want to make more complex games to run on multi platform.
Whatever you use you're going to have to write platform-specific code. Languages like Java or other interpreted languages (Python be my personal preference) are going to allow you to use a lot of commonalities. However, since it's not a quick and simple project, I'd suggest </intelligent-looking-padding> C or C++.
Edit: GUI doesn't necessarily have to be written from scratch for every platform. Check wxWidgets.
Most cross platform games are written in C++, because it is very good - performance wise; and its more user friendly than C. Games need maximum speed & efficiency!
You can hide away platform specific stuff behind certain abstractions and API's that you write so that you can port it easily. You can also use a cross platform framework such as Qt or wxWidgets for the window & GUI elements. Adding a scripting language to non critical parts is also nice. :)
As most have noted here, you are almost certainly going to need C/C++ for your graphics in the end particularly for your high performance (graphics) requirements.
However there might be an opportunity to develop the "core" as you call it, in a scripting language which in turn is easy to embed within a C/C++ application. In which case, the top 2 scripting languages to look into would be Lua and Tcl.
Lua in particular is used in WoW among others I'm sure. Tcl on the other hand has more "batteries included" (libraries).
I'd recommend C++ for large cross-platform projects as well. But I think what's also important are the build-tools you use. For example SCons or CMake can create project files/makefiles for most compilers under Windows/Linux/MacOS.
C is a good language, but generally you want an object oriented language for programming game. If your looking for speed, go with C++, but if you don't have much programming experience, go with python. look into the sfml and pygame libraries.
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I read something about Lua today, and I was wondering what it was.
I did a Google and Wikipedia search, I understood it until they began talking about C and API. I still don't understand it.
What is Lua and are there any tutorials for beginners?
Lua is a lightweight interpreted programming language developed in Brazil with a focus on embedding.
It is written in Pure ANSI C which means high portability, even as C++ code.
Here is an example:
print("Hello World!")
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I'm surprised everyone is getting this one wrong.
Lua is the Hawaiian word for "toilet".
Lua is a scripting language for C and C++. It allows to use the simpler syntax of Lua and execute these scripts in your C/C++ application. Therefore you don't have to compile the program on each change, but simply deliver a new script version.
For tutorials just use google, you'll find enough to keep you busy the next days.
Lua is a simple lightweight highly portable dynamically typed embeddable and extendable multi-paradigm scripting language. The "vanilla" (some would say official) implementation of it is made purely on ANSI C and has an awesome (simple yet powerful) C API that you can use to both embed Lua on your app or extend the behavior of the language itself. It is developed at the Informatics Department of the Pontifical Catholic University of Rio de Janeiro (PUC-Rio).
Thought it was not primarily designed for that, Lua found a big niche in game scripting, with big names such as "Grim Fandango" and "World of Warcraft". Nonetheless, because of its speed, simplicity and portability, it is also heavily used in embedded systems (see, for example, eLua project) and graphic computing.
Its philosophy is to be minimalistic, i.e its core libraries are very small with only minimum functionality (quite like C's standard libraries), though through the C API it is very simple to add features that wouldn't be possible through the pure core library, such as sockets, GUIs etc. In fact, Lua is so minimalistic that its main -and only- structured data type are 'tables', that could be described as associative arrays on 'roids.
Lua is procedural in its essence, but also supports multiple paradigms such as functional programming and object orientation.
Though Lua is not the fastest scripting language around (probably javascript's V8 project wins the prize) it is very fast (faster than vanilla Python or Ruby, for instance) and also features a non-official just-in-time implementation called LuaJIT.
In the end, Lua is actually no more than a fun language to play with, which I recommend!.
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About tutorials, I'd recommend the article about that on the lua-users wiki.
I hope I helped! =)
PS: I couldn't post all the links because I'm new on stack overflow, but it shouldn't be hard to find everything on Google. Sorry. =(
Lua is a scripting language. Link is to lua.org. It is heavily used in game development, most notably (to me) World of Warcraft.
Lua is a lightweight, embeddable scripting language. It's garnered a lot of popularity partly due to it's use in many popular games. A good example of this is World of Warcraft which uses an embedded version of lua to drive the behavior of the UI elements in the game.
A good intro to the language can be found here: http://computer-programming-languages.suite101.com/article.cfm/a_brief_introduction_to_lua_scripting
And the official online reference for the language can be found here: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/
It's a scripting language that is designed to work with C (and C++). It is designed to be embedded into C/C++ programs. Which means unlike a lot of other scripting languages, it makes no use of global variables and such, this means you can easily thread lua scripting engines.
It also makes claims about being the fastest dynamic scripting language.
I've made use of it in PC based C++ application for creating a plugin scripting interface, and also used it as a embedded scripting language. Its quite versitile, nice and small.
as a general purpose scripting language? Its not quite in the same league as your ruby/python/perl type stuff. It doesn't have as many libraries and the user community is pretty small.
But for extending C++/C apps? its awesome.
The C API, which looks to be the part that confused you, is designed to make it very easy for you to take existing C code (or new C code) and control it with a Lua script. This is what is meant by embedding. Via embedding, you can get a lightweight, programmable, interactive, text-based interface to any C code, for very little effort. Even if you don't embed things yourself, Lua is a very nice little scripting language.
My favorite example is that a nice person put a great many POSIX system calls into Lua. When I want something that is like a shell script but is more sophisticated, I can just use this library. Likewise with the MD5 library and with many others.
When learning Lua you can ignore the C API completely—just benefit from other people's work with the API—and if you ever need to embed your own code, you can come back to it later.
Lua is a SCRIPTING language written in C and is commonly used in game development because of its power and flexibility. Lua is also cross-platform so it can be used anywhere on any platform. Lua can also be used as a programming language with a handy program I use called AutoPlay Media Studio which allows you to create fully fledged applications for the Windows platform. I hope this clears things up for you.
Website: http://www.lua.org.
AutoPlay Media Studio: http://www.indigorose.com.
Lua is a powerful, fast, lightweight, embeddable scripting language.
Lua combines simple procedural syntax with powerful data description constructs based on associative arrays and extensible semantics. Lua is dynamically typed, runs by interpreting bytecode for a register-based virtual machine, and has automatic memory management with incremental garbage collection, making it ideal for configuration, scripting, and rapid prototyping.
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In your opinion, what are the most important languages for a programmer to know? I'm talking about concepts, not about how practical the language is.
List the languages and a reason. For example, Lisp for functional programming, JavaScript for prototype-based OOP, etc.
Must know:
1) C (system programming, understanding of machine architecture)
2) Perl or Python or Ruby (practical day-to-day tasks)
3) Java or C# or C++ (OOP, and quite important to get a job these days)
Really important:
1) Haskell or ML (functional programming; changes the way you think)
2) Lisp or Scheme (power of macros)
Nice additionals:
1) Forth (very low-level, explicit stack operation + joy to write your own interpreter)
2) Assembly languages (know how your CPU works)
3) Erlang (parallel processing)
4) Prolog (logic programming)
5) Smalltalk (true OOP and true interactive developent)
The assembly languages of as many chips as you can learn for low-level knowledge.
C to learn more practical knowledge of low-level workings, since almost all languages are implemented in C.
C++ for object-oriented programming on top of the low-level goodness of C.
Pascal to learn how to work with strong typing.
Java to see how you can shield yourself from low-level concerns.
Perl to learn regular expressions, weak/dynamic typing, and other good things.
Python to see strong/dynamic/duck typing.
Ruby to see how object-orientedness works on top of Perl-esque weak/dynamic typing.
Common Lisp for that functional enlightenment.
Scheme for the emphasis on recursion.
Emacs Lisp so you can extend Emacs.
Haskell to see pure functional programming done right.
APL so you learn how not to write code.
COBOL so you can make mad money maintaining legacy code.
Erlang to really learn about concurrency. (Thanks to Pete Kirkham for correcting me.)
Scala for functional programming on the JVM.
Clojure for a Lisp-like functional language on the JVM.
Prolog to understand logic programming.
D so you can see why all the D fanatics are always so pro-D.
C# so you can program for .NET (and Mono).
F# so you can do functional programming on .NET.
Forth for stack-based languages.
PHP so you can see how not to create a language. (Just kidding. Learn PHP beacause it's really useful for web development.)
JavaScript because it's basically the language for client-side web scripting.
bash for a good, general-purpose scripting language.
Visual Basic so you can read the code your boss wrote. =)
INTERCAL for "fun."
brainfuck so you can torture your friends.
LOLCODE so you can convince them to still be your friends after you subject them to brainfuck.
...And so on.
C for understanding how the most other language(-implementations) and operation systems are implemented
I think the three languages that best combine practicality and coverage of programming concepts would be
C
Python
Javascript
From these languages you can learn low-level system programming, pointers and memory management, static typing, dynamic typing, high-level scripting, event-driven programming, OO programming, functional programming.
Obviously you're not going to get as pure an intro to functional programming as you would with, say, Haskell, but you can learn a lot of the concepts in Python and (especially) Javascript.
It is not the languages rather the paradigms you should know:
procedural (like C, Pascal)
object-oriented (like Java, C++, Smalltalk)
functional (like Lisp, ML, Scala)
If you understood one of these paradigms in one language, it is easy to learn another language in the same paradigm. And there are even more fields specially supported by languages that are important to understand:
parallelism (in Erlang or Scala)
declarative templates (e.g. in C++ or Prolog)
dynamic languages (e.g. JavaScript)
At at last you should always know what goes on under the hoods, so you better have a look at assembler.
I would say:
C or Assembler to understand how the processor work.
Smalltalk (or C#, Java, Python, Ruby, etc) to understand object oriented programming.
Lisp (any Lisp, Scheme, Common Lisp, Clojure) to understand high level programming, meta programming (macros), etc.
Haskell to understand type inference and other functional concepts.
If you are into distributed systems, I'll consider learning Erlang too. Those are the language I recommend learning, even if only superficial, only for the sake of learning even if you never use them to write a real application.
Its best to know a variety. This gives you a better overall perspective of the art of programming, plus, you get to choose the best tool for the job.
My current list would be:-
C - programming close to the machine.
Python - programmers nirvana.
Perl - for when s**t happens.
Java - cause it will keep you in work.
C# - cause it will keep you in work.
lisp, scheme or something functional to get your brain out of a rut.
SQL - for managing large data sets.
JCL, COBOL, VAX DCL, CShell VB - just to remind you how bad things could be!
A good short list:
C for the machine concepts
Haskell for functional programming
Smalltalk (or maybe Ruby or Simula-67) for object-oriented programming
Prolog for logic programming
Icon for backtracking and mind-blowing string processing
Bourne shell for Unix scripting
Might also include
Scheme for macros
Awk or Perl or ... for regular expressions
FORTH for tiny bootstrapping postfix wonderfulness :-)
For concepts, I would choose assembler and Java.
The first because you should know in intimate detail how machines work.
The second because you should understand how to shield yourself from the intimate details of the way machines work :-). By that I mean a language with a rich set of data structures at hand (so really Java could be Python, C++ with Boost and so on).
Well. I'd say learn C and javascript. They are most widely used languages.
You might want to learn Java/some .Net language and/or python/ruby: they're more convenient, tho.
This have the advantage that all those languages are reasonably well designed.
For example, don't learn PHP or C++ because they're a mess. They're used widely, you might want to learn them one day, but they can seriously mess with your mind.
Limbo - a programming language with concurrency and channels, what C should have evolved into. ( see also D, another C successor )
No-one else seems to be mentioning any declarative languages, so here are a few:
Prolog - a declarative language for logic programming
Modelica - a declarative OO language for modelling systems.
XSLT - a declarative language for transforming XML.
For parallelism, you don't get much wider than shader language, and the related OpenCL - typically 512 processors in parallel on a high-end desktop, rather than Erlang's 4 processors in parallel ( though with many scheduled processes ).
This is a good question. I know a lot of people, myself included, get stuck in a rut where we are just churning out code like one would churn out burgers at a McDonald's. Coding becomes too mechanical—we understand how to get things done, but often times we forget why these things get done behind the scenes.
In my world it's been C++/C/ObjectiveC that have taught me the most, even though I write C# every day at work.
For the most part, learning C++ has helped me learn about memory management and how the various objects are stored in memory, etc.—the actual science of programming. What really opened my eyes was the Programming Paradigms class offered at Standford that you can get off of iTunes and I think YouTube.
You already mentioned two, here are a few more:
Java: Java is a good example of OOP 'cause you HAVE to use oop, and it's designed from the ground up to be an OOP language.
BASIC: Although obsolete, it's a good example of procedural languages and it has a very easy syntax.
For web programming: PHP, ANSI-SQL, javascript.
Some people may argue that HTML and CSS are not programming languages. But they are esential for web app development.
For Desktop app development, C++ with the Qt Framework. Qt gives C++ the additional "cross-platform" fizz.
Pascal or Basic for start and to master basics of procedural programming.
At school we learned Haskel for functional programming.
And then one should try assembler or C for getting deep and Java for OOP.
A have no arguments for this - that's only my taste and what I tried.
I would sat C/C++ cause it sets allot of basics for allot of other languages used around the world.
Personally I learned Java/JavaScript->VB(short course fortunately)->C#->C++, with a pinch of PHP and Perl on top of it all. Best part of that line was C# and then moving behind the scene in C++.
Look for a set of different programming languages:
C++ / C# / Java etc.
C / Assembler
Python, Ruby, Lua, Perl etc.
sh, awk, sed, regular expressions
Prolog (or similar)
Haskell / Lisp etc.
It doesn't really matter which ones you choose, but that you choose one from each "category".
Pseudocode for reading/writing documentation. :p
I think knowing C/C++ or any other low level language will help you with understanding the impacts of how managed/script languages works helps. Such as pointers will demystify variable references.
If you want to understand computers and the underlying hardware, C is the single most important language, commonly said to be the lingua franca of computers. The Stackoverflow podcast tends to cover this at least once a week.
There seem to be enough answers on this, so I'll just leave it at that.
You should know a scripting language so that you can prototype your applications faster.
Maybe python/ruby/perl . Groovy is also an alternative if you're a Java guy that likes his java libs.
Alot is already mentioned but I would definitely add C++ (already done) for the following reason:
C++ for learning how to use pointers and get the main idea about them.
Although there is the discussion if c++ is still the 'better' language (all depends on what you want to make really) it never hurts to understand pointers, just in case you do need them ever.
Having a scan through the answers so far I'm surprised I've not seen any mention of actionscript.
I think if you learn some C/C++, then some Java then that should prepare you for pretty much all of the decent languages out there.
I prefer to see my code in action and I find Actionscript 3 (not 2 or 1) along with Flex (which is MXML) great for quickly demoing visual concepts.
So C & Java helps to learn the syntax of the majority of languages.
Actionscript 3 (very similar to java syntax) & MXML for being able to express you code visually very quickly.
C - low level system programming plus to understand generic concepts about how memory is handled, stack, stack frame, heap and so on. These are helpful for understanding higher level languages
C++ - mainly std library (separation of generic algorithms and containers), templates, namespaces, but OO concepts as well. Templates meta programming will give you completely different perspective on writing software, this is compile time execution versus run time execution. Templates inheritance (static vs dynamic polymorphism).
Python - dynamic type system, list comprehension - functional programming (?), no memory management for developer, spaces for indentation
Objective-C - message dispatching (can dispatch to nil), dynamic type system (static as well), late binding, OO concepts
It may sound crazy, but I first learned to program writing VBScript macros for windows. I used a template, which is available here http://vbscript-macro-template.blogspot.com/ and I just added to it and also tried to understand everything that it did. Now, several years later I am writing my own desktop and database applications.
You should start from C and go through C++, Java and the goto WinForms,
Then better goto .NET
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Are there some online resources about compiler principle?
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I'm not asking how to make an incredibly complex language. I just wanted to understand the basics. I would use c# as the underlying language. I know it's vague. I was hoping for something very basic to direct me.
I think I'm mostly interested in creating scripting languages. For example, I see people that write programs but then they have a scripting language for their application. I do not want to rewrite a windows scripting language. Say I had a text file reader and for some reason wanted a scripting language to automate something. I'm not sure how to ask.
Thank you.
EDIT - Thank you for the answers. I was looking at it more for the learning not the doing at the moment. I would probably use LUA, but I am trying to learn more about the concept in general.
You could take a look at LUA - I've used it to great success each time I asked myself the question "How would I automate insert task here in insert one of my apps here?"
Edit: Here are some examples (taken from the links page, admittedly, unwieldy Lua Wiki) on how you could embed Lua in your app:
Embedding Lua in C: Using Lua from inside C
Embedding a scripting language inside your C/C++ code
Embeddable scripting with Lua
You can use an existing language like Python or Javascript. For example, for Javascript, there is http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/ for Java apps. So typically you don't need to actually invent a new language, you would just provide a custom API for a language that already exists.
first you need a lexical parser like lex, then a syntax parser like bison.
then you can work with the syntax parser to create an interpreter to 'execute' the syntax results.
that's how the most scripting languages do.
p.s: another way is to practice by writing shells - shell scripts (bash, csh, or sh) are highly simplified scripting languages.
Some terminology is in order. You may be talking about a domain-specific language.
The two basic ways to transform a text file into an "executable": a compiler or an interpreter. An interpreter fits the scripting concept better, as it is easier to build and executes lines one at a time. Note that beyond a very simple language both writing a decent parser or a decent interpreter are non-trivial. The classic work on interpreters is SICP, but this is quite a hard book for beginners.
Scott Hanselman mentioned in his latest hanselminutes podcast that integrating IronPython to allow scripting of an existing application was very easy to do.
If you're interested in the end target of having your application be scriptable, then you should definitely consider using an existing language rather than attempting to write your own.
If you are more interested in the educational experience of writing your own scripting language, then you should go for it!
There's no need to create a new scripting language there are several eg. Rhino which is a widely used embeddable javascript (http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/) or Jscript from MS, that you can use directly in your product.
I've gone the way that you are asking - I once created my own scheme interpreter. This worked really well, but we re-invented a lot of technology and didn't really get a lot of additional benefit. We would have been far better off just using one of the scheme's that were available. I would not make that decision again even though it was fun and successful.