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Seeing as how the three primary colors are cyan, magenta and yellow (CMY), why do monitors and almost all the GUI components out there use red, green and blue (RGB)? (If I'm not mistaken, printers use the CMYK model.)
Is there a historical, hardware/software, or other reason for it?

There's a difference between additive colors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additive_color) and subtractive colors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtractive_color).
With additive colors, the more you add, the brighter the colors become. This is because they are emitting light. This is why the day light is (more or less) white, since the Sun is emitting in almost all the visible wavelength spectrum.
On the other hand, with subtractive colors the more colors you mix, the darker the resulting color. This is because they are reflecting light. This is also why the black colors get hotter quickly, because it absorbs (almost) all light energy and reflects (almost) none.
Specifically to your question, it depends what medium you are working on. Traditionally, additive colors (RGB) are used because the canon for computer graphics was the computer monitor, and since it's emitting light, it makes sense to use the same structure for the graphic card (the colors are shown without conversions). However, if you are used to graphic arts and press, subtractive color model is used (CMYK). In programs such as Photoshop, you can choose to work in CMYK space although it doesn't matter what color model you use: the primary colors of one group are the secondary colors of the second one and viceversa.
P.D.: my father worked at graphic arts, this is why i know this... :-P

The difference lies in whether mixing colours results in LIGHTER or DARKER colours. When mixing light, the result is a lighter colour, so mixing red light and blue light becomes a lighter pink. When mixing paint (or ink), red and blue become a darker purple. Mixing paint results in DARKER colours, whereas mixing light results in LIGHTER colours.
Therefore for paint the primary colours are Red Yellow Blue (or Cyan Magenta Yellow) as you stated. Yet for light the primary colours are Red Green Blue. It is (virtually) impossible to mix Red Green Blue paint into Yellow paint, or mixing Red Yellow Blue light into Green light.

The basic colours are RGB not RYB. Yes most of the softwares use the traditional RGB which can be used to mix together to form any other color i.e. RGB are the fundamental colours (as defined in Physics & Chemistry texts).
The printer user CMYK (cyan, magenta, yellow, and black) coloring as said by #jcomeau_ictx.
You can view the following article to know about RGB vs CMYK: RGB Vs CMYK
A bit more information from the extract about them:
Red, Green, and Blue are "additive
colors". If we combine red, green and
blue light you will get white light.
This is the principal behind the T.V.
set in your living room and the
monitor you are staring at now.
Additive color, or RGB mode, is
optimized for display on computer
monitors and peripherals, most notably
scanning devices.
Cyan, Magenta and Yellow are
"subtractive colors". If we print
cyan, magenta and yellow inks on white
paper, they absorb the light shining
on the page. Since our eyes receive no
reflected light from the paper, we
perceive black... in a perfect world!
The printing world operates in
subtractive color, or CMYK mode.

the 3 additive colors are in fact red, green, and blue. printers use cmyk (cyan, magenta, yellow, and black).
and as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additive_color explains: if you use RYB as your primary colors, how do you make green? since yellow is made from equal amounts of red and green.

This is nothing to do with hardware nor software. Simply that RGB are the 3 primary colours which can be combined in various ways to produce every other colour. It is more about the human convention/perception of colours which carried over.
You may find this article interesting.

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Fading with limited colors

How do you make a nice fade from white to black with a limited set of colors?
I'm writing a "demo" for virtual machine i have designed and written. It has 4096 colors and i need to do a nice fade from white to black. Since there is only 16 different levels of gray i would like to extend this by using some more colors.
I have seen nice fades from white to black on the c64 using far fewer colors.
Is there any general function for doing this in arbitrary color spaces.?
You could calculate the brightness of the available colors:
RGB: brightness = (R + G + B) / 3
Or use other color models (HSL, HSV etc.): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSV_color_space#Lightness
and order the colors by brightness.
If you are free to generate any color, create/generate a nice palette of colors and, again, order by brightness.

Given a gray value, what color provides highest visual contrast?

Assume that I've a gray image, and I want to draw e.g. text on it. Now the image has some dark and some bright regions. So if I choose for every character a separate color, in what way do I compute such a color to gain highest contrast of the text?
A pragmatic approach is to use yellow. (I don't know why, but its often used for subtitles in movies and documentaries)
Furthermore I could darken the yellow in regions of bright background, and highlight it in regions of dark background. But this may provide some layer-effects.
I know that the color space may be important. I start with an RGB gray value, but LAB, HSV, or HSL may be better suited to compute the optimal color.
EDIT:
As there was the question for a useful use-case: I really do not want to paint letters of text in different color. It is about color choosing for particular glyphs on gray textured background. (E.g. an MR image.)
The simplest answer to your question is to maximize the distance between the background and your text color.
If you convert to HSL, you can do this by maximizing the distance between L (V in HSV). And all that requires is to select white when the background lightness is less than 50% and black otherwise. Here is an example: http://jsfiddle.net/E2kU4/
if(bgLightness < 50){
color = "white";
}else{
color = "black";
}
I think that pretty much solves it, but on to a few other points:
I'm not sure what the use case is for this. A word with different colored characters might look really bad. Typically, subtitles select a single color for consistency.
Yellow does stand out against a black and white image because of its saturation. Furthermore (and I'm not sure how to put this into words exactly), yellow has a really high chroma compared to other colors with similar lightness. It is best demonstrated on the HUSL page; by the way, HUSL is a great library for creating readable colors.
Yellow easily contrasts with dark colors because it is very light. It doesn't contrast with light colors as well, but that is usually solved by adding a shadow/outline in subtitles. Another example: http://jsfiddle.net/E2kU4/1/
But you can apply the same technique (of applying a shadow or outline) to the black/white example for maximum contrast. Now, the outline has the maximal contrast against the text. The outline stands out from the background too, unless those colors are similar, in which case the contrast is already extremely high (e.g. Near black background, black outline, white text) http://jsfiddle.net/E2kU4/2/
Lastly, converting to and from HSL/RGB should be trivial. There are plenty of libraries to do it.

Proper way of calculating lighting

I am implementing lighting in a 3D engine, and have discovered a flaw in the way I calculate lighting. In the combine shader, I get the diffuse color and the lighting calculations.
return diffuseColor * (diffuseLight + ambient);
As far as I can tell, this is the standard way of doing things.
But, for example, what if the color is 0,1,0, and the light is 1,0,0. (Ignore ambient in this example)
The result would be 0,0,0. But in real life, if I get a pure green bit of paper, and shine a tinted red light onto it, it should turn out yellow. Or at least not black.
How do other games solve this problem?
A green paper will absorb red light and appear black, not yellow.
Addition means you shine a white paper with red and green light. Then the paper appears yellow.
http://www.physics.wisc.edu/museum/Exhibits-2/Light_Optics/ColorObj/Color_index.html
It should be (for each RGB component)
return (diffuseColor * diffuseLight) + ambient;
The ambient component is constant and is added after all of the other lighting calculations have been done, and doesn't depend on the light direction or viewing direction.
As Julio says, a pure green paper will look black under pure red light.
When something looks green, it's because it absorbs all other colours from the spectrum and what's left (i.e. green) is reflected. If you shine a red light on it there's no green to get reflected.

Most "stable" color representation : RGB? HSV? CIELAB?

There are several color representations in computer science : the standard RGB, but also HSV, HSL, CIE XYZ, YCC, CIELAB, CIELUV, ... It seems to me that most of the times, these representation try to approximate human vision (colors perceptually identical should have similar representations)
But what I want to know is which representation is the most "stable" when it comes to pictures. I have an object, let's say a bottle of Coke, and I have thousands of pictures of this bottle, taken under very different circumstances (the main difference would be the how light or dark the picture is, but there's orientation, etc...)
My question is : what color representation will empirically give me the most stable representation of the colors of the bottle? The "red" color of the label should not vary too much. Well, I'll know it will vary, but I would like to know the most "stable" representation.
I've been taught that HSV is better than RGB for these kind of things, but I have no clue for the rest.
Edit (technical details) : I take a particular point of the bottle. I pick the corresponding pixels in a thousand pictures of this point. I now have a cloud of points, that depend on the representation. I want the representation that minimizes the "size" of this cloud, for example the one that minimizes the mean distance of the points of the cloud to its barycenter.
You might want to check out http://www.cs.harvard.edu/~sjg/papers/cspace.pdf, which proposes a new colorspace apparently designed to address this precise question.
I'm not aware of a colourspace that does what you want, but I do have some remarks:
RGB closely matches the way colours are displayed to us on monitors. It is one of the worst colourspaces available in terms of approximating human perception.
As for the other colourspaces: Some try to make sure colours that are perceptually close together are also close together in the colourspace. Others also try to ensure that perceptually similar differences in colour also produce similar differences in the colourspace, regardless of where in the colourspace you are.
The first means that if you think the difference in colour between blue A, and blue B is similar to the difference in colour between the blue A and blue C, then in the colourspace the distance between blue A and blue B will be similar to the distance between blue A and blue C, and they will all three be close together in the colourspace. I think this is called a perceptually smooth colourspace. CIE XYZ is an example of this.
The second means that if you think the difference in colour between blue A and blue B is similar to the difference in colour between red A and red B then in the colourspace the distance between blue A and blue B will be similar to the difference between red A and red B. This is called a perceptually uniform colourspace. CIE Lab is an example of this.
[edit 2011-07-29] As for your problem: Any of HSV, HSL, CIE XYZ, YCC, CIELAB, CIELUV, YUV separate out the illumination from the colour info in some way, so those are the better options. They provide some immunity from illumination changes, but won't help you when the colour temperature changes drastically or coloured light is used. XYZ and YUV are computationally less expensive to get to from RGB (which is what most cameras give you) but also less "good" than HSV, HSL, or CIELAB (the latter is often considered one of the best, but it is also one of the most difficult).
Depending on what you are searching for you could calibrate the color balance of the images. For example: suppose you are matching coca cola logos: You know that the letters in the logo are always white. So if they are not in your image you can use the colour they have to correct that, which gives you information about the other colours.
Our perception of the color of something is mostly determined by its hue; a colorspace such as HSV which gives a single value representing hue will work best.
The eye is a remarkable instrument though, and knowing the color of a single point is not enough. If the entire scene has a yellow or blue tint to it, the eye will compensate and your perception will be of a purer color - the orange Coke bottle will appear to be redder than it is. Likewise with darkness and brightness. If possible, you should try to compensate the image before taking the color sample.

color scheme for loudness?

What is the most commonly used or most appropriate coloring scheme for indicating loudness when visualizing an audio fft result, for instance in "jumping bars" audio equalizer displays, spectrograms, spectrographs, and etc.
Red for the loudest? Blue for very quiet? Or???
In the audio apps I've shipped, it's green, yellow, red. But that wasn't based on any standard - just a guess based on the led outputs of my stereo. :)
I think the answer is a balance between how serious you want your VU-METER to be. Are you trying to show scientific precision of dB levels or just something that's meant to be visual eye candy as music is playing? If the latter, you got a lot of freedom to work with, including making the increment between volume units non-linear (such that the vu-meter seems more "lively") and choosing whatever color scheme looks best.
Traditional equalizers are green, yellow, red:
http://www.google.com/images?q=equalizer
Typically I see green for base volume going through yellow to red for loudest. Many level meters are simply green bars until they get near the clipping level and then they jump right to red bars.
From my experience, it is usually green to red from quiet to loud, but generally anything starting with a cool color (such as blue) and moving to a hot color (such as red) will work.

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