InstallShield 10 vs 11 - is there a reason to migrate - installshield

Currently we are wondering whether we should move to IS 11 or stay for longer time with IS 10. It will incorporate upgrade of a few crucial boxes so I would like whether, from your point of view, there are some break through technologies in IS 11 so you must have it or we can easily skip it and wait for the next version.
It is used to installation of server application and stand alone client - msi projects.

Here's the IS2011 Release Notes.
There is now DRM on the standalone build. ( BOOO )
The standlone build can now be purchased ala cart ( YEAH )
There's some Unicode improvements but I don't do localization or use InstallScript anymore.
It says there is improved TFS support but I know IS2010 already registers with VS2010 so I'm not sure what's different there.
Sounds like there have been some improvements in supporting SQL 2008 R2.
More prereqs but you can always write those yourself or download them and use with 2010 if you really need to.
The InstallScript/VBScript editor is improved but I use C#/DTF/WiX anyways.
Improved App-V if you are into that ( I'm not ).
Setup Prereqs finally support using Path Variables to isolate your dependencies for your build. That would be nice to have since I typically edit these using Notepad++ today.
Ability to author a HyperLink control ( dependency on MSI 5.0 which makes this useless )
Custom Setup.exe icons and resources if you care. ( Sounds like your stuff is internal )
Prebuild/PostCompression/PostBuild events. Pre and Post I don't care about the PostCompression has some very interesting use cases for people who need to make MSI's do things IS can't do and have a compressed setup.exe
Expiring setup.exe's ( if you care )
Import VDPROJ - thought this one had been around for awhile. Maybe it works now? :-)
Unicode support in SQL scripts. That could be important ( not to me currently )
64bit and .NET 4.0 improvements. Always welcomed.
IIS improvements ( always welcomed )
And more.....
OK, now for the part when I give my opinion. If what you have is working, stick with it. If you tend to work on alot of projects, have a little money to spend and don't like hitting brick walls on new problems then take a chance, upgrade and hopefully you'll never see the problems in the first place.
Put it simpler, we own 2010 and 2011 but are currently only using 2010.

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Jump Start My VS 2015 Community Experience

My last experience with visual programming was with VB 6.0. So it's been awhile. Now I need a C code developement environment to interface with another tool. It would be nice to work in a visual programming and event driven IDE similar to my VB experience. The other tool vendor suggested installing the free VS 2015 Community package. What is the best way to download, install and get me up and running in this C code environment?
Download Visual Studio Community 2017 here:
https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/community
You don't need to install the full blown thing anymore, just pick the blocks your want to use. If you need more later on you can simply add more blocks.
It is free, and there are boatloads of samples around (check https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/ for instance) to get you started.
Probably "microsoft official site" but i'd not recommended "comunity edition" just for one reason : [it's a bit overloaded], i know it may feels good to have space for growing up, but in fact (probably) you'll barely try a quarter stuffs they present for you. Before you become a "GURU" they will be just spotted your eyes and (a bit) slow down progress.
If you'll want do your codding on Windows 7 or earlier, you'd better try a (minimalistic) "Visual studio express 2013" (Same stuff, but more strict functionality). And... if you would try Visual studio express, it better to choose a version "x86", i cant say that does matters on "C", but if you'll start programming openGL, it's saves you a lot of nerves (64x has a several big errors)

C++ coverage tool that WORKS?

Been searching for a good coverage tool for a while now.
I'm with VC++ 2008.
Tried already:
NCover, PureCoverage, PartCover and a few others I can't remember their names.
None works!
Not even with a very basic console application that does almost nothing.
Tried to get an evaluation copy from BullsEye and few more others - not only that they require you to ask for it (no automatic process), they don't even answer after you request AND after you ask what's going on, through the support mail.
So the question is: Is there any tool, which I can immediately download an evaluation for it, that actually works on VC 2008 projects? Something that will get me going within 10 minutes? It's funny but it seems to be a very non-trivial request in the area of this kind of software.
Well, you have to ask for it... but it does work:
SD C++ Test Coverage
EDIT May 2011: Downloads available for since late 2010.

Is MFC still used for new development (with any material volume)?

I've never been a big fan of MFC, but that's not really the point. I read that Microsoft is due to release a new version of MFC in 2010 and it really struck me as odd - I thought MFC was dead (no ill intention, I really did).
Is is MFC used for new developments? If so, whats the benefit? I couldn't imagine it having any benefit over something such as C# (or even just c++ using Win32 APIs for that matter).
There is a ton of code out there using MFC. I see these questions all the time is this still used is that still used the answer is yes. I work in a very large organization which still employs hundreds of people who write in cobol. If it has ever been used in the enterprise it will continue to be used until there is no more hardware to support it, then some company will pay someone to write an emulator so that the old code will still work.
The navy still uses ships with computers with magnetic cores for memory and I'm sure they have people to work on them. Technology once created can never not be supported. its a bit of the case of Deus ex machina where large organizations aren't completely sure what their system do and have such an overriding sense of fear of brining the enterprise to its knees they have no desire to try out you new fangled technologies(BTW we pay IBM for best effort support on OS2).
Also mfc is a perfectly acceptable solution for windows development given it is an object model which wraps the System API which is pretty much all that most people get out of .net.
As an addendum and since this question is up for a bounty this is a quote from MS regarding mfc in VS 11
In every release we need to balance our investment across the various areas of the product. However, we still believe that MFC is the most fully-featured library for building native desktop applications. We are fully committed to supporting and maintaining MFC at a high level of quality. Here’s a short list of some of the issues that we fixed in MFC for Visual Studio 11:
Here is the link if you want to read the full post
Coolness does not factor in choosing the technology for a new system. Yes if you are a student or want to play around you choose whatever you want.
But in the real world each technology has advantages and drawbacks. A year ago one of the teams started a new project, it was decided that it will be done in MFC.
The reason is very simple: they have to use windows api a lot for low level operations with the printer, internet explorer and god knows what else.
C# was not even in the game, the decision was made between MFC and QT, both had the needed functionality, both could easily integrate the low level functionality, the only difference was that some team members already had MFC experience, so they didn't have to waste time and money with trainings.
Let's suppose they choose C# and WPF:
-1 You have to wrap all native C++ and ASM code in a DLL (ouch this can be painful, instead of coding you write wrappers).
-1 You probably need two teams now, one for the ui one for the winapi stuff. It is very unlikely that you'll find a lot of people able to write both C# and winapi stuff. Agreed that either way you need someone to make the interface pretty (programmers usually suck at this and they cost more) but at least with C++ only code, there is no more wait time between two teams, need a ui modification, no problem I don't have to wait for the ui designer, he will make it pretty later.
+1 You can write the UI code in C# and WPF, let's say the UI development is faster, but the UI is only 1/4 of the project, so the total gain is probably very small.
-1 Performance degradation: for every small operation you can't do in C# you call a external DLL (this is a minor issue since the program runs on 8GB RAM Quad Cores).
So in conclusion: MFC is still used for new development because the requirements and the costs decide the technology for a project and it just so happens that MFC is the best in some cases.
MFC is still used for some new development, and a lot of maintenance development (including inside of Microsoft).
While it can be minutely slower than using the Win32 API directly, the performance loss really is tiny -- rarely as much as a whole percent. Using .NET, the performance loss is considerably greater (in my testing, rarely less than 10%, with 20-30% being typical, and higher still for heavy computation. Just for example, I have a program that does Eigenvector/Eigenvalue computation on fairly large arrays. My original version using C++ and MFC runs one test case in just under a minute on our standard test machine. Some of my coworkers decided it would be cool to re-implement it in C#. Their version takes almost three minutes on the same machine (quad core, 16-gigs of RAM, so no, not "legacy" hardware). I'll admit I haven't looked at their code too closely, so maybe it could be improved, but they're decent coders so a 3:1 improvement strikes me as unlikely.
With MFC, it's also easy to bypass the framework and use the Win32 API directly when/if you want to. With .NET, you can use P/Invoke for that, but it's quite painful by comparison.
MFC has been updated with every release of Visual Studio. It just isn't the headline feature item.
As for new development, yes. It is still used and will continue to be so (even though I, like you, prefer not to). Many organizations made the technology decision years ago and have no reason to change.
I do think you are talking about well-established shops though, folks with more interest in maintaining / enhancing what has been written rather than stay on the cutting edge.
The release of the MFC Feature Pack (one or two years ago, iirc) was the biggest extension of MFC since around 10 years and it gave quite a new boost to MFC development. I guess a lot of companies decided to maintain their legacy applications, push them forward and delevelop new applications on its basis.
For me (as someone who has to maintain a large MFC application) the bigger problem is the decreasing development and support of (Microsoft and third-party) components rather than MFC itself. For instance is porting to 64bit not easy if a lot of old and unsupported pure 32bit Active-X components are assembled in the application.
I did a project last year based on MFC. I'm not sure why MFC was chosen, but it was adequate for making a virtual 3D graphic user interface—a building management security system—with 10 frame per second refresh rate run efficiently on win32-based PCs dating back to the mid-1990s. The executable (which requires only core win32 system DLLs) is less than 400K—not an easy accomplishment with modern tools.
There are advantages to staying away from managed code (maybe you're writing a driver UI, or doing COM).
That and there's tons of MFC code out there. Maybe you work for Company X, and need to use one of the zillion DLLs they've been writing over the last dozen years.
I can think of one commercial software title that benefits from using MFC over C#: Wwise[1]. C++ is an obvious choice for the sound engine, so it makes sense to write the authoring tool in C++ as well. It's both an authoring tool and a sound engine. They could have built the authoring tool in C#, and the sound engine in C++, but if they're debugging a problem with the sound engine that's reproducible through the wwise authoring tool, it's easier for them to see the whole call stack just like that.
I think there's some ways of doing a mixed call stack nowadays, but maybe that wasn't there when they first made Wwise? In any case, using MFC ensured that they wouldn't need a solution to the problem of mixed call stacks. The call stack just works.
[1]Wwise is built on MFC: https://www.audiokinetic.com/fr/library/edge/?source=SDK&id=plugin_frontend_windows.html

Is there a stable Programming Language for Web Programming?

A renowned PHP user once said: There will be a relaunch in 2 years, anyway.
Those times are gone. Web applications that are older than 5 years are common. With the original developer(s) gone.
The release cycles of the operation system, programming language, and framework are getting in the way of doing real work, if you don't have a big staff.
Is there any way to develop something that doesn't need constant porting to the next level, without the fear of losing support and backing in a community? For people who want to stay in programming instead of climbing the corporate ladder and leaving the problems to the next "generation"?
My company codes almost exclusively in C#, however we have ColdFusion 5 apps still humming along written back in 2001 or so. Theres no need to port them.
If it ain't broke, dont fix it.
Other than security flaws (which are usually handled by an OS/Server Patch, so they dont need code changes), theres no need to change an app just because a new version of the language has come out.
If I'm not mistaken, ColdFusion has had at least 2 new releases since we stopped using it for new code. but that hasn't affected our ColdFusion sites one bit.
Write CGI programs in FORTRAN 77. Should be pretty stable.
Firstly, it is possible to overstate the difficulty in maintaining web applications. In many cases, the changes to a language or platform are expansionary in nature rather than destructive. .NET, python, etc code from several years ago will still run, but new options are being added to make these these tools more powerful for future applications. The case where massive changes occur tends to be on the first or second iteration of a language, e.g. Rails 1 to Rails 2.
Secondly, the still active development of web programming is something to be thankful for.It means that this is a part of the industry that will remain productive and exciting for years to come.
Traditional CGI is stable. It's not sexy, but if your OS continues to be able to run the same binaries or scripts, it's still going to work.
The only programming frameworks that stay stable are those that have been abandoned. A framework that stood still long enough would have no support for, say, AJAX or JSON or even XML.
You're not going to find what you're asking for. The best you can hope for is a mature framework with good support like ASP.net or JSP. And, as #Neil N said, don't keep upgrading unless there's a compelling business need.
The first web programming I ever did was writing Apache modules in C which communicated with a dBase database. I'm fairly sure that code would still run today (if the company I wrote it for still existed).
I do most of my current web-related programming in Perl, which is very stable and has an excellent track record for backwards compatibility. Most, if not all, code written for Perl 4 (released 21 March, 1991) should still run on the latest stable Perl (5.10) - although you might want to update it anyhow to take advantage of the last 18 years of improvements in both software development techniques and language features.
Consider the shearing layers. I've previously worked in large aerospace companies where the same Fortran back-end code and databases have had their front-ends evolve from the paper tape era through mainframe, client server and onto Intranet web sites.
On the outside, you have will typically have CSS and XHTML templates which can be changed to re-skin an application. These change quite rapidly, in large organisations as upper management seems to decide the bike shed should be a different colour every few weeks.
Typically you then have some logic to combine the templates with data from the back-end, and forward user actions to the back-end. This shouldn't change that rapidly, but translate the presentation to calls into the back-end. Expect to refresh this every few years, and rewrite it once a decade. We used Java for this, starting in the late 1990s. Some parts get changed faster than others, but it's not a big issue.
The back-end is usually stable ( some of the aerodynamics code dated from the 1970s; the laws of physics don't change that often ), and will outlast the web UI, as it has all the other UI paradigms. Fortran is forever.
Write your own web server in C then you don't have to worry about a web programming language.
(No, that's not a serious answer)
Have you seriously looked at what TDD, CI, pair-programming, and a solid, rapid development framework (basicaly Django or Rails) can offer to you as a developer vis-a-vis the way you write and design code? There are some really massive benefits that all of those pieces offer to the development process that make it almost a joy to be a programmer again. There are downsides, of course, but the upsides are all in support of the happiness and ease of development for the engineer, which leads to more productivity. In my book, that's a slam dunk win. And the result of my productivity and happiness, has been solid products and great engineering.
YMMV, but if you are having the serious thoughts that you are (and I take them very seriously), I think it's worth you investigating what those tools can offer. By taking the good and leaving the bad from the agile religion plus some of the things I listed above, I've returned to find the joy in programming again this last year, after a good 5 years of a downhill slide of my happiness with this career. It's about finding what works for you. I can only help and lead the way by showing you what worked for me. I'd be more than happy to discuss at length if you want to talk offline, I think this is a really important topic...it lead me to consider a career change many times.
Java Servlets and JSPs have been in use for a decade or so, and they still work the same way like they did in '99. But honestly, can you imagine something uglier than a '90s web application without any rework done since?
The Python web framework web2py promises backward compatibility:
Always backward compatible. We have
not broken backward compatibility
since version 1.0 in 2007, and we
pledge not to break it in the future.
And supports Python versions from 2.4 to 2.7
EDIT: Updated an important project 2 times and every time there was a problem. Well, …
EDIT 2: Needs Python 2.6 to 2.7 now. No support for Python 3.

One man bugtracker?

Recently I've been doing lots of weekend coding, and have began to really need a bugtracker as things are gaining speed. This is probably the worst case scenario because I basically have to let things cool down over the week,so I simply can't remember the bugs in my head. So far I've been using a text file to jot down bugs,but I'd rather use something a bit better.
The biggest points here are ease of use and very little setup time.Don't want to spend more than an hour learning the basics and trying to install something. Also in my case I'm on a Mac so that would help, but solutions for other platforms are welcomed as they will likely help others.
FogBugz has a student/startup edition that's free indefinitely, for 2 or less users.
Personally, I use Excel. (Wait, come back, I'm not crazy!) For a bigger / team project, I've gotten a ton of mileage out of Bugzilla, but that tends to be kind of overkill for a one-person project.
But, a well-organized spreadsheet, with columns for things like "status", "description", "code module", "resolved date," etc, gets you pretty close to what you'd need for a small project. Sorting a spreadsheet by column isn't anywhere near a search, but its a whole lot better than "find in text file."
Heck, if you use Google docs rather than excel, you can even publish the thing as an RSS feed and get it anywhere.
And, the major advantage is that the setup time and learning curve are both effectively nil.
Addendum: And of course, the instant your "One-Person Bug Tracker" becomes a "Two-Person Bug Tracker" you must switch to something better. Bugzilla, FogBugz, anything. Trust me, I've been there.
Trac or Redmine are both pretty good. I don't know how easy they are to set up on a Mac.
It's worth mentioning that FogBugz also has a free version for up to 2 users, which would suit you. It is hosted so there is no installation and you can use something like Fluid to access it in its own window.
I don't think you need a full blown bugtracker for your scenario.
Try tiddly wiki, store each bug in a tiddler and give them tags like 'open' or 'closed'.
There is no installation required (only one html file), and it's very easy to use.
And platform neutral.
If you're working on a LAMPP stack, then for ease of setup and use I would probably recommend Mantis. It's written in PHP / MySQL and the only installation involved was specifying where the database should be created and what credentials should be used.
Oh, and its FOSS.
I would suggest Omnigroup's Omnifocus - it's an excellent task tracker, and if you just make the mental leap from bug to task, I think it works famously for one man projects as well as being an excellent way to organize your no doubt burgeoning task queue.
Eclipse has a really interesting system--I don't know why so few people seem to know about it.
It's tied in with their to-do list. It gives you the ability to enter bugs with as much or as little info as you like. You can tie it to versioning or an external bug tracker if you like. It's a decent bug tracker in itself.
The real trick is how it works with your source code.
Before you begin work you select a bug from the list. All the time you're coding, it tracks what files you are editing. It can close old tabs for you, and will also highlight areas of the source tree that you have modified a lot.
The nice thing is, you can go back to any bug you've edited an you will get your "Environment" back. Not only all your notes and stuff, but the same tabs will open up and the same sections of code in the navigator will be highlighted.
Also eclipse works with virtually any language, it's not just restricted to Java...
let me put in a good word for ditz - it's a bit bare-bones, but it has the invaluable feature that bugs are checked into your repository. it's also very easy to use once you get used to its way of doing things
You can use fogbugz for free if you're a one man team.
It's super easy to use and quick to learn.
They made it so that bugs are really easy to enter, no mandatory fields.
I'm the author of BugTracker.NET mentioned in another post. If I were looking for a tracker for JUST ONE PERSON with MINIMUM hassle, I'd use FogBugz, because it's hosted. No installation, no need to worry about backups.
But, what are you doing about version control? Don't you have to worry about that too, and backing that up? If so, consider something like Unfuddle or CVSDude where you can get BOTH Subversion and Trac, or Subversion and Fogbugz.
I use Mantis at home and I'm happy with it. It can be a pain in the arse to get it working so you can choose to download a free and ready-made VM installation. Cannot be easier than that,
Maybe a spreadsheet would be the next logical step? I know it sounds really un-sexy, but if you're the only user, you don't have to worry much about others mucking it up, and it adds a few basic features over a text file like sorting. Then if you later need to graduate to something RDBMS-backed, you would likely have a feasible import path. I just know that for me, when working by myself, I don't tend to get around to putting bugs in anything that requires more care and feeding than that (of course when working with others the collaborative needs make a more defined repository a requirement, but that's a different story).
EDIT: After noting the availability of free, hosted access to FogBugz, I'm re-thinking the bar for care and feeding...
RT from BestPractical is great.
I also get a lot of mileage out of just keeping a list of items in a text file with vi, if I can express them all in one line. This is usually for many small todo items on a single component or task.
I've tried bugtracker.net and even though it's a little bit rough on the edges, it's free and was built with ASP.NET:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=66812
Are you using a source control repository as well? If not, you really should, even though you're only a one-man team.
My personal preference is to use a VMWare Virutal Application (free) that offers no-hassle setup gives you access to both Trac and Subversion. You can find many different virual appliances through searching. Here is one example of getting a Trac/SVN virtual appliance up and running:
http://www.rungeek.com/blog/archives/how-to-setup-svn-and-trac-with-a-virtual-appliance/
Trac is an excellent project management tool that sports a bug tracker, wiki, and integrated source control management. It's adaptable to your needs, and fits me very well personally.
I use bugzilla for this purpose. Plus for me was that it has integration with Eclipse (precisely with Mylyn). FogBuzz has it to but AFAIK it is nonfree.
Plus it sits on my laptop so I can code and add/remove bugs when offline (it was biggest disadvantage of hosted solutions for me)
Installation was not a problem in Ubuntu (and any debian-based distro I suppose).
I dig ELOG in those cases, it's more of a personal blog, but it's easy to handle and install, the data is local on your computer and you can search all entries via fulltext. Always sufficed for me.
If you have a Windows box with IIS and MSSQL (including SQL Server Express), you should look at Bugtracker.net. It is free and open source (you get the source code), and it is extensible.
Even if you are a one man shop, having a free bug tracking system with this much power will allow you to grow over time, because it is fairly easy to add future users into the system.
You can also customize it for the look of your organization, business or product.
Ontime 2008 by Axosoft is free for a single user licence. It's industrial strength and will give you alot more that just bug tracking!
http://www.axosoft.com
Jira which now has free personal licenses.
I am using leo for this purpose. To be more specific, its cleo plugin.
Of course you might need to spend some time to get used to leo, but it will pay off.
A flat text file is just a list, an Excel spreadsheet is a two-dimensional list.
leo lets you keep the data in a tree! And it also has clones.

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