I have two PC behind the different NAT. I want to access the first PC from the second PC.
While searching over the internet, I have found the concepts of STUN, TURN and ICE.
If i run the stun client on one PC, I can find the ip and port of my PC from public internet perspective. but after that also how can i connect to other PC. How other PC will know my ip and port which is public ip and external port of my router?
Both PCs are behind Restricted cone NAT, so i think i don't need turn server functionality.
I have one PC with public IP which i can run as a STUN server.
I have read the specifications of STUN and ICE, But i am not getting the clear idea. There they are telling that there is some signalling mechanism available through which other host can know my ip and port number.
But, Exactly how?
If there is one stun server and multiple clients, then how can be decided which client need to connect with which client as no client knows about othet clients addresses?
the short answer is, the STUN server helps the peer identify his public IP, so it does not matter how many clients are try to talk to each other, it does not care, its only job is to supply a peer with his public IP.
from what I understand, the STUN server helps you (the browser client) identify its public IP, which you would set in your SDP, and you pass this to the signalling server,
which would forward it to the other peer, similarly, the other peer would also transmit to you his sdp (the offer and answer).
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I'm trying to follow the code given here to implement NAT hole punching in Node.js. I'd like to know if the server is strictly necessary. Having read about hole punching, I am under the impression that the purpose of the server is to allow the clients to exchange some information (including but not limited to their addresses and ports they want to communicate on) so that they can proceed to talk directly. Assuming the clients already had each other's information (again, including but not limited to their addresses and ports), would the server still be necessary? If so why and if not, how could this be implemented?
For instance, say one were to build an application where client_A prints out all information that would have been transmitted to the server for user_A to read, who then sends this to user_B, who then submits this info to client_B (this could be done via email for example). Wouldn't this avoid the need for a server?
Here is another explanation of why I think it might be possible to remove the server in the middle:
In NAT hole punching (assuming I understand it correctly), the communications begin when client_A sends a message to the server. The message contains some information that the server then passes on to client_B when client_B contacts the server. After this point, client_A and client_B are able to communicate directly without the need for the server. I am under the impression that once a direct connection between client_A and client_B has been established, the server could go offline and the two clients would still be able to communicate directly with one another. If this is the case, then I would imagine that any information that is being used to maintain this connection (be that addresses, ports, or any other kind of info) could be exchanged through any other channel (eg: email, a handwritten letter, a voice call, etc) at the beginning of the protocol, and then the connection could be established without ever needing the server.
Regarding 'tricking' the router
As manishig pointed out to me in a comment (thanks), NAT hole punching also requires tricking the router. If I understand correctly (please correct me if not) the router is tricked by having the router store the info for directing incoming packets from the server to client_A, however, these packets are actually coming from client_B after the initial phase of the protocol. If this is a correct description of the problem, is there a way to trick the router that doesn't require using a server?
There are ways to communicate between two remote computers over the internet without an intermidiate server, but IMO it is not the preferred way.
Why an intermidiate server is needed?
If client_A and client_B are both in the same LAN (e.g your home/office network) you can make sure (configure on the clients side and/or the router) that they will have a static ip address over this LAN and they can just talk freely.
E.G: If client_A is listening on port 8080, client_B can create a connection to client_A_ip on port 8080
Over the internet any packet sent is passed through NAT usually at least twice. One time after going through your LAN (e.g your home/office router) and at least once over an ISP endpoint. Which means you have no controll over the public ip and port assigned to your packet.
Now not only that you don't have controll over your packet's assigned public ip and port, these are also not static. They won't change while you have an active TCP connection, but you don't have any other guarantee from your ISP regarding your assigned public ip and port.
The intermediate server`s purpose is to dynamically update each client with it's peer info and also keeping the tcp connection open, so that peer to peer comunication will be available.
Alternative solution to an intermidiate server (Not recommended)
If you want your clients to communicate without an intermidiate server you can buy a public static ip from your ISP (if they support it) and then there are ways you can make (with some config) that one of your clients have a public static ip and port that the other client can connect to.
But I wouldn't recommend it, since it requires some understanding in IT and security risks.
Also if both client's are portable and connect to different networks all the time it's not a valid solution
I have built a d3.js dashboard that ties into a tornado websocket. Everything works perfectly locally. I now would like to have the ability to share the websocket with a few friends, nothing production. Is there a way to do this without a big deployment on Heroku or other similar service? I've googled and can't seem to find an answer. Thanks
Not specific to Tornado. This is more of a networking question.
What you want to do is:
Run your server on your computer.
Connect to the internet.
Note down your public IP address.
Give your IP address to your friends.
Certain things you need to take care of:
Run your server on a higher, non-standard port (e.g. 8000 would be good) because ISPs block traffic to port 80 and other standard ports.
The IP address assigned to you by your ISP will most probably be dynamic. That mean, every time you diconnect and reconnect to the internet, your IP address will change.
Turn off your computer's firewall to let in the traffic at whichever port your server is running.
Finally, you'll need to configure port forwarding on your router. What that means is all the incoming HTTP requests will arrive at your router at your public IP address. But your computer where you'll be running your server will have an internal IP address assigned by your router. So, you'll need to forward incoming requests to your computer's internal IP.
Ok. I am creating a teamviewer like app. And p2p connection is the best route based on my research on p2p. I want to know weather teamviewer works fully on p2p, and is it possible to create such an app without using any dedicated server and a static public ip address. I mean i do know all nodes in a p2p n/w act equal, but then how will these maintain a connection having dynamic ip addresses. Hoping someone can explain how p2p establishes this.
They do not need a static IP. But in absence of a static IP you need some discovery / address exchange mechanism that allows nodes to find each other.
Overlay networks like DHTs/gossip protocols/supernodes are generally used for such a thing, but it could be as simple as a user manually entering the current IP address.
In practice reachability is a much bigger concern. NATs and Firewalls may prevent incoming connections. If both nodes cannot accept incoming connections then neither can connect to the other.
I'm writing a piece of P2P software, which requires a direct connection to the Internet. It is decentralized, so there is no always-on server that it can contact with a request for the server to attempt to connect back to it in order to observe if the connection attempt arrives.
Is there a way to test the connection for firewall status?
I'm thinking in my dream land where wishes were horses, there would be some sort of 3rd-party, public, already existent servers to whom I could send some sort of simple command, and they would send a special ping back. Then I could simply listen to see if that arrives and know whether I'm behind a firewall.
Even if such a thing does not exist, are there any alternative routes available?
Nantucket - does your service listen on UDP or TCP?
For UDP - what you are sort of describing is something the STUN protocol was designed for. It matches your definition of "some sort of simple command, and they would send a special ping back"
STUN is a very "ping like" (UDP) protocol for a server to echo back to a client what IP and port it sees the client as. The client can then use the response from the server and compare the result with what it thinks its locally enumerated IP address is. If the server's response matches the locally enumerated IP address, the client host can self determinte that it is directly connected to the Internet. Otherwise, the client must assume it is behind a NAT - but for the majority of routers, you have just created a port mapping that can be used for other P2P connection scenarios.
Further, you can you use the RESPONSE-PORT attribute in the STUN binding request for the server to respond back to a different port. This will effectively allow you to detect if you are firewalled or not.
TCP - this gets a little tricky. STUN can partially be used to determine if you are behind a NAT. Or simply making an http request to whatismyip.com and parsing the result to see if there's a NAT. But it gets tricky, as there's no service on the internet that I know of that will test a TCP connection back to you.
With all the above in mind, the vast majority of broadband users are likely behind a NAT that also acts as a firewall. Either given by their ISP or their own wireless router device. And even if they are not, most operating systems have some sort of minimal firewall to block unsolicited traffic. So it's very limiting to have a P2P client out there than can only work on direct connections.
With that said, on Windows (and likely others), you can program your app's install package can register with the Windows firewall so your it is not blocked. But if you aren't targeting Windows, you may have to ask the user to manually fix his firewall software.
Oh shameless plug. You can use this open source STUN server and client library which supports all of the semantics described above. Follow up with me offline if you need access to a stun service.
You might find this article useful
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa364726%28v=VS.85%29.aspx
I would start with each os and ask if firewall services are turned on. Secondly, I would attempt the socket connections and determine from the error codes if connections are being reset or timeout. I'm only familiar with winsock coding, so I can't really say much for Linux or mac os.
How can an application be designed such that two peers can communicate directly with each other (assuming both know each other's IPs), but without outgoing connections? That's, no ports will be opened. Bitorrent for example does it, but multiplayer games (as far as I know) require port forwarding.
I'm not sure what you mean by No Outgoing Connections, I'm going to assume like everyone else you meant no Incoming Connections (they are behind a NAT/FW/etc).
The most common one mentioned so far is UPNP, which in this context is a protocol that allows you as a computer to talk to the Gateway and say forward me this port because I want someone on the outside to be able to talk to me. UPNP is also designed for other things, but this is the common thing for home networking (Actually it's one of many definitions).
There are also more common and slightly more reliable ways if you don't own the network. The most common is called STUN but if I recall correctly there are a few variants. Basically you use a third party server that allows incoming connections to try and coordinate a communication channel. Basically, what you do is send a UDP packet to you're peer, which will open up you're NAT for a response, but gets dropped on you're peer's NAT (since no forwarding rule exists yet). Through the connection to the intermediary, they are then told to do the same, which now opens up their NAT, and matches the existing rule in you're NAT. Now the communications can proceed. Their is a variant of this which will allow a TCP/IP connection as well by sending SYN and SYN-ACK messages with some coordination.
The Wikipedia articles I've linked to has links to the relevant rfc's for these protocols on precisely how they work. Essentially it comes down to, there isn't an easy answer, as this is a very network centric problem.
You need a "meeting point" in the network somewhere: the participants "meet" at a "gateway" of some sort and the said "gateway function" takes care of the forwarding.
At least that's one way of doing it: I won't try to comment on the details of Bittorrent... I am sure you can google for links.
UPNP dealt with this mostly in the recent years, but the need to open ports is because the application has been coded to listen on a specific port for a response.
Ports beneath 1024 are called "registered" because they've been assigned a port number because a company paid for it. This doesn't mean you couldn't use port 53 for a webserver or SSH, just that most will assume when they see it that they are dealing with DNS. Ports above 1024 are unregistered, so there's no association - your web browser, be it Internet Explorer/Firefox/etc, is using an unregistered port to send the request to the StackOverflow webserver(s) on port 80. You can use:
netstat -a
..on windows hosts to see what network connections are currently established, including the port involved.
UPNP can be used to negotiate with the router to open and forward a port to your application. Even bit-torrent needs at least one of the peers to have an open port to enable p2p connections. There is no need for both peers to have an open port however, since they both communicate with the same server (tracker) that lets them negotiate and determine who has an open port.
An alternative is an echo-server / relay-server somewhere on the internet that both peers trust, and have that relay all the traffic.
The "problem" with this solution is that the echo-server needs to have lots of bandwidth to accomodate all connected peers since it relays all the traffic rather than establish p2p connections.
Check out EchoWare: http://www.echogent.com/tech.htm